Rosanne gets the ax!

I don't think that's true.. She told lies about Jarrett.. She's not a Muslim and there's no Muslim Brotherhood in Iran.

Wrong.
Roseanne did not say Jarrett was Black or Muslim.
She was saying our Mideast policies, as influenced by Jarrett, showed aspects of the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the theocracy in the movie, "Planet of the Apes".
Nor is it illegal to say something untrue if you have reason to believe it is true, and evaluating Mideast policies is just all opinion.

The only illegal thing is ABC firing over political expression outside of work.
 
No they cannot; and saying so makes you look like a moron.

The First Amendment only means the government can’t silence you or attempt to curtail speech (i.e. you won’t be intimidated or jailed for your speech.)

Your private employer on the other hand, can curtail your speech and punish or fire you if they decide your opinions are racist or sexist or violate some core company value.

The consequences also apply outside of work in the general culture. As Jack Holmes says in Esquire: “Free speech” does not mean you get to say anything without any repercussions in society. The government cannot impose penalties on you, but your peers can by maintaining social norms that make it socially unacceptable — shameful, even — to behave in that way. You can’t lose your liberty, but you can lose your friends and your livelihood. The Constitution doesn’t protect your popularity.”
 
Do you need to actually see it in writing?
Since before the country was even formed in 1886, it was illegal to discriminate against political expression by employer termination.
One of the oldest traditions of individual rights.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/new-york-employment-discrimination-31665.html

{...
In all 50 states, federal law makes it illegal to discriminate based on:

Race
Color
National origin
Religion
Sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions)
Disability (physical or mental)
Age (40 and older)
Citizenship status
Genetic information
In addition, New York state law prohibits discrimination based on:

Race
Color
National origin
Religion
Sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions)
Disability (physical or mental)
Age (18 and older)
Genetic characteristics
Marital status
Familial status (being pregnant, caring for a child under 18, or seeking to adopt a child under 18)
Sexual orientation (includes perceived sexual orientation)
Gender identity
Lawful use of any product or lawful recreational activities when not at work
Military status or service
Observance of Sabbath
Political activities
Use of service dog
Prior arrests or criminal accusation
Prior convictions (unless certain requirements have been met)
Domestic violence victim status
...}

Keep floundering, pal. You can cut and paste all day, pally, but she has no employment protection for:

"Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj"
 
Wrong.
Roseanne did not say Jarrett was Black or Muslim.
She was saying our Mideast policies, as influenced by Jarrett, showed aspects of the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the theocracy in the movie, "Planet of the Apes".
Nor is it illegal to say something untrue if you have reason to believe it is true, and evaluating Mideast policies is just all opinion.

The only illegal thing is ABC firing over political expression outside of work.

:lolup::rofl2:
 
Wrong.
Roseanne did not say Jarrett was Black or Muslim.
She was saying our Mideast policies, as influenced by Jarrett, showed aspects of the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the theocracy in the movie, "Planet of the Apes".
Nor is it illegal to say something untrue if you have reason to believe it is true, and evaluating Mideast policies is just all opinion.

The only illegal thing is ABC firing over political expression outside of work.

There is NO Muslim Brotherhood in Iran.. Roseanne is very stupid..

The First Amendment only means the government can’t silence you or attempt to curtail speech (i.e. you won’t be intimidated or jailed for your speech.)

Your private employer on the other hand, can curtail your speech and punish or fire you if they decide your opinions are racist or sexist or violate some core company value.

The consequences also apply outside of work in the general culture. As Jack Holmes says in Esquire: “Free speech” does not mean you get to say anything without any repercussions in society. The government cannot impose penalties on you, but your peers can by maintaining social norms that make it socially unacceptable — shameful, even — to behave in that way. You can’t lose your liberty, but you can lose your friends and your livelihood. The Constitution doesn’t protect your popularity.”
 
LOLOL.. Sure they can.. The government can't curtail your speech , but your employer can.

Nonsense.
I just quoted you a summary from the state of NY saying it is illegal for employers to curtail speech.
It is true in ALL states.
Tell me any state, and I will show you the law makes it illegal for employers to coerce the suppression of political expression outside of work.

And you should know better.
If you allowed employers to do that, since almost everyone is an employee, it would destroy the whole democratic republic.
 
There is NO Muslim Brotherhood in Iran.. Roseanne is very stupid..

The First Amendment only means the government can’t silence you or attempt to curtail speech (i.e. you won’t be intimidated or jailed for your speech.)

Your private employer on the other hand, can curtail your speech and punish or fire you if they decide your opinions are racist or sexist or violate some core company value.

The consequences also apply outside of work in the general culture. As Jack Holmes says in Esquire: “Free speech” does not mean you get to say anything without any repercussions in society. The government cannot impose penalties on you, but your peers can by maintaining social norms that make it socially unacceptable — shameful, even — to behave in that way. You can’t lose your liberty, but you can lose your friends and your livelihood. The Constitution doesn’t protect your popularity.”


Wrong again.
There has always been Muslim Brotherhood in Iran, and they are usually on good terms with the government of Iran, and only a few times in disagreement.

{...
When the Arab Spring revolutions broke out in 2011, the Islamic Republic of Iran hailed them as an “Islamic awakening” and considered them as a continuation of its own revolution in 1979. The affinity that Iran saw in the Muslim Brotherhood was real.

Even today Iran recognises the Brotherhood and Tehran have much in common, particularly the notion of “Islamic democracy”.

Mustapha Zahrani, the head of the Institute for Political and International Studies which is the research centre of the Iranian Foreign Affairs Department, said: “The Muslim Brotherhood’s ideas do really matter for the founders of the Iranian Islamic Republic. We believe in the Islamic democracy and in a moderate Islam: as do organisations close to the Muslim Brotherhood in Turkey and in Egypt."

Then there is the history: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei translated into Farsi the works of Sayid Qutb, an intellectual and one of the founding thinkers of the Brotherhood, who was killed in prison in Egypt in 1966. They also share the same politics: both support Palestine and are opposed to Western powers.

During the 1980s, the Iranian Islamic Republic had been a role model for many leaders of the Brotherhood, such as Fathi Yakan in Lebanon or Rached Ghannouchi in Tunisia, founder of the Movement of Islamic Tendency, now known as Ennahda.

In June 2012, Mohamed Morsi, leader of the Freedom and Justice Party, close to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, became the country's first democratically elected president of the Republic. Iran applauded.

Two months later, Morsi went to Iran, during the Non-Aligned Movement Summit. That was a real event for, since 1979, Iran had not forgiven Egypt for signing a peace treaty alone with Israel. Nevertheless, after a 33-year diplomatic freeze, an Egyptian president was invited in Tehran as a Muslim brother.
...}

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-and-muslim-brotherhood-best-enemies-2061107490

And freedom of political expression has NOTHING to do with the Bill of Rights.
It pre-existed the Bill of Rights and the whole federal government.
It is state law and state constitutions where rights can be seen, not federal law or constitution.
And employer discrimination against political expression has always been completely illegal, and must always remain so.
No democratic republic could survive if political discrimination were allowed.
 
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Another liberal trolling as a conservative. And not very convincingly.

That is silly.
The whole point of being liberal is the defense of all individual rights.
But Roseanne is not a conservative, but extremely liberal.
So as a liberal I have 2 reasons to defend her then.
 
Keep floundering, pal. You can cut and paste all day, pally, but she has no employment protection for:

"Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj"

She absolutely does have complete protection for saying anything that does not actually harm her employers.
That is regardless what her contract says.

Everyone has the right to tweet that, even though I disagree with the tweet and her criticism of Obama's Mideast policies.
But Roseanne is a Zionist, so is entitled not only to her Mideast beliefs, but their expression, no matter what way she says it.
 
That is silly. The whole point of being liberal is the defense of all individual rights. But Roseanne is not a conservative, but extremely liberal. So as a liberal I have 2 reasons to defend her then.

Your trolling is transparent and inept. I know how to make an informed critique. Ask around. I am an expert on trolling. :rofl2:
 
The First Amendment only means the government can’t silence you or attempt to curtail speech (i.e. you won’t be intimidated or jailed for your speech.)

Your private employer on the other hand, can curtail your speech and punish or fire you if they decide your opinions are racist or sexist or violate some core company value.

The consequences also apply outside of work in the general culture. As Jack Holmes says in Esquire: “Free speech” does not mean you get to say anything without any repercussions in society. The government cannot impose penalties on you, but your peers can by maintaining social norms that make it socially unacceptable — shameful, even — to behave in that way. You can’t lose your liberty, but you can lose your friends and your livelihood. The Constitution doesn’t protect your popularity.”

Wrong; your employer cannot control your speech outside of the workplace. That would be a violation of the Constitution.

Example, your employer is McDonalds. You protest against McDonalds on your own time outside of the workplace for higher pay; they fire you for it. Do you think they can do this?

You keep babbling stupid about things you have no clue about. STFU, seriously.

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She absolutely does have complete protection for saying anything that does not actually harm her employers.
That is regardless what her contract says.

Everyone has the right to tweet that, even though I disagree with the tweet and her criticism of Obama's Mideast policies.
But Roseanne is a Zionist, so is entitled not only to her Mideast beliefs, but their expression, no matter what way she says it.

I never said she didn’t have a right to tweet, moron. I said she has no employment protection for those words. And, her employers will decide the harm or potential harm, such as viewers changing the channel.
 
Your trolling is transparent and inept. I know how to make an informed critique. Ask around. I am an expert on trolling. :rofl2:


That is silly.
Trolling is a bored person who simply wants to start conflict for the fun of it.
They have no real agenda.
You are the one simply making rude comments off topic, that do not further a point of view.
I on the other hand, am clearly supporting Roseanne and her right of free political expression.
Which is a very important right that no one should allow to be infringed upon.

I don't care if you think I am trolling or not.
What matters is whether or not people let ABC get away with infringing upon Roseanne's rights.
 
I never said she didn’t have a right to tweet, moron. I said she has no employment protection for those words. And, her employers will decide the harm or potential harm, such as viewers changing the channel.

That is the whole point of all the laws against wrongful termination over political expression.
The employer normally has absolutely NO right to terminate anyone over their expression of political freedom.
The employer has no right to determine harm or potential harm.
Only the courts can do that.
And since the show Roseanne created has the highest of all sitcom ratings, clearly ABC has no case.
They did not lose any income.
Roseanne generates income because she is playing a racist, so it is impossible for her to then lose income for the show by publishing a tweet that may sound racist so some.
 
If Roseanne had a first amendment recourse, she certainly would have taken it by now.
She is finished.

That is foolish.
The first amendment is not at all the source of freedom of political expression.
It is state constitutions and state law that do that.
And the remedy for violation of the right of political expression is a lawsuit, which usually takes years.
For example the Smothers Brothers won their wrongful termination suit a decade later.
If ABC were smart, they would offer a secret amount for Roseanne to go silent on this.

And by the way, everyone is a racist.
It is in their DNA, and all they can to is intellectually prevent it from influencing their actions.
 
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That is foolish.
The first amendment is not at all the source of freedom of political expression.
It is state constitutions and state law that do that.
And the remedy for violation of the right of political expression is a lawsuit, which usually takes years.
For example the Smothers Brothers won their wrongful termination suit a decade later.
If ABC were smart, they would offer a secret amount for Roseanne to go silent on this.

And by the way, everyone is a racist.
It is in their DNA, and all they can to is intellectually prevent it from influencing their actions.

You are insane.
 
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