exactly
the Federalist papers look to Congress as the people's branch. Also I think Congress established the DoJ
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the Federalist papers look to Congress as the people's branch. Also I think Congress established the DoJ
Will Gowdy still be loved by the Liberal left if he walks back his statements?
Who said the left "loved" Goudy?
He's still the Draco Malfoy he looks like, we're just pointing out how Goudy has pulled the rug out from beneath one of conservatives leading conspiracies, and from what we've seen here, the conservatives aren't liking being told their implied schemes are bogus by one of Trump's biggest defenders
"SpyGate" just became "StupidGate"
Wow, now we got conservatives defending the Elastic Clause, ain't seen that in awhile
lol.. that's a good name for the necessary and proper clause.
But oversight goes way back..PS i'm a federalist in terms of balance of power
And that is the amazing part, previously, whether it was Goudy, Jordon, Nunes, or Meadows, conservatives bought everything they said regardless, but now that one of them makes a statement they don't like, they go back and research dotting the i's and crossing the t's
Umpteen times the obvious was explained that such as Nunnes now discredited memo was nothing more than a personal narrative and conservatives argued that regardless it told the "truth." Absurdities as "secret societies" took off without any substantiality and personal Emails were taken out of context to form plots and conspiracies absent any documentation, and now conservatives want litigation style review on Goudy's remarks
Goudy just made "SpyGate" "StupidGate," so you think Hannity will have him any time soon?
Either obstinate or gullible, no other explanation
Airstrip One
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Congress holds authority over any office of government for which it created, which is quite a number of them. It doesn't hold oversight of the Offices of President and Vice President, or of the SCOTUS, but, it does hold oversight of the DHS, for example.
Darth Omar
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If you want to hang your hat on the opinion of someone who hasn’t seen all the documents related to Spy Gate, be my guest.
secret society was not the Nunes memo. it was 1 congress person 1 day story.
Gowdy did not see anything -he's talking out of his ass -taking DoJ briefing as truthful
IG report next week
Breaking news hopefully today from J. Soloman of the Hill
There is other stuff I've seen on Gateway Pundit -i haven't cited it because it's completely unconfirmed,
but very damaging
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...rs-were-linked-to-british-in-spygate-scandal/
so you can start doing some research out of your comfort zone, or wallow in fake news-makes no difference to me
Snowflake triggered alert!! 
You do realize that by citing the "Gateway" as a source, even hilariously adding it is "completely unconfirmed," you made my point?
You have no more insight as to what Goudy saw or heard than you do the documents Nunes based his memo on, yet you bought Nunnes memo immediately because you liked its' conclusions, and here you challenging Gowdy because you don't like what he said
And how can it be the "fake news" when Goudy said the exact same thing on Fox, unless your telling us Fox is now also "fake news."
As a side note, don't employ Gateway as a source, you don't see many here using the likes of Mother Jones for documentation for the exact same reason
NOBODY saw the docs, that a FACT -not fake news, there is no news except more DoJ stonewalling.
You have to look at alternative sourcing- i'll post what I think is valid -Gateway or not- but that's an anonymous source run thru another source (ex-intel) to produce the story.
No matter how many dots they connect, there isn't enough to post for discussion.
what has been shown false by Nunes? nothing. remember when you guys had him under an Ethics complaint?
That was bogus too ( he was cleared).
Schiff's only retort is " we needed to call more witnesses" _
draggng it out for political purpose so he could continue leaking and spinning.
I do not know why the Dems need to protect corruption -remember the McCabe defense fund?
He raked in a lot of cash.
And Comey was called to testify just yesterday, as the prepare indictments
Agreed, but that doesn't answer the question of what constitutional provision gives Congress (much less a specific committee) that power.
Is congressional oversight of the executive branch an example of exceeding the constitutional powers of Congress?
Evidently Goudy saw enough of the documents to form his opinion, an opinion conservatives have pretty much accepted carte Blanche over the last eight years prior to today. Coincidence?
Why look at "alternative sources" when you know exactly what they are going to say? What would be the point of reading an article in Mother Jones on say the Mueller Investigation when one knows beforehand pretty much what conclusions they'll reach? All those sites do is take facts, well some of them employ facts, and reframe those facts to support whatever they are selling. Waste of time
Numes's memo was exposed as totally political, last time, it was only Nunes's narrative, today it is about as relevant as the "secret societies." And of course he was acquired, it was a GOP House Committee, you didn't really think he was traveling secretly via Uber to the White House at twilight to research did you? His performance after that proved why he was there
And McCabe's story will play out, too early even for conservatives to start hatching conspiracies, but it is kinda comical that the action McCabe is on the fence for now actually aided the Trump campaign during the election
NOBODY SAW THE DOC's they got a confidential briefing
remain ignorant. MS "news" doesn't cover it, investigative reporters don't exist except for Soloman and Carter -
MS rely on leaks,but they do not dig
Ethics Committee doesn't act in a partisan manner-referallt o the Ethics are often partisan .but not the outcomes. Nothing Nunes reported out has been found to be false. Even Schiff doesn't contest the facts, just the fact the plug was pulled too soon-wanting endless witness recalled
McCabe is part of the cabal -his office is where they discussed the "insurance policy"
he lied to FBI investigators
An implied power is a choice Congress chooses to make and oversight is a reasonable choice.
But that is very different than claiming it is "constitutionally mandated" as stated in the original post.
Does any of that change the fact that evidently Goudy saw or heard enough to form his opinion, an opinion conservatives have pretty much accepted carte Blanche over the last eight years prior to today. Coincidence?
Mother Jones doesn't "investigate," none of those heavily partisan sites do, as I said, they frame facts to present what they want you to hear. You do remember Gateway "investigated" enough to report that the there were more than one Vegas shooter and the real "facts" were being hidden, conspiracies often reign in these websites, another coincidence?
Outcomes of House Committees aren't partisan? Then you explain why Nunes was taking secret Uber trips to the White House at twilight? And nothing in the Steele dossier has been proven false, does that mean it is also true?
And there you go again buying conspiracies, "his office is where they discussed," and show us proof, not implications nor inneundos, but actual proof that you or your sources know exactly what was discussed in his office. Understand now?
opinions are like assholes -everyone has 1. He was giving his opinion,and it was unsupported by docs.
you have no choice but to go to alternative sites -that doesn't mean you buy into everything.
MS news is crap like Stormy daniels 27/7 on CNN -what can you learn from these sources? nothing.
Even the NYTimes spins
Steel himself in his British trial said it was about 50-50 true by his guesses.
Nunes went there to see a source, long ago,and it's a good thing he did, or we would never have gotten this far
the problem is DoJ stonewalling or we'd all know what's real and not just guessing
we have the texts, we have the fact the insurance policy was discussed in Mccabes office
good point. but implied powers are either just that, or accepted as stare decisis by SCOTUS rulings.
They are not inferior to enumerated powers
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Enough of the conspiracy theory objection coming from a Trump-Russian conspiracy theorist lol.