Liberal ideas move from fringe to front-burner for Democrats

[The Derp]

You make no sense.

No, you're the one not making sense.

The skill required to do a Sales Associate job at Walmart is the same as the skill required to do a Sales Associate job at Costco.

So since the skill level is the same, why does Walmart pay its employees 45% less than Costco for doing the same job?

I think you know the answer, and I think it's one you're reluctant to give.

 

[Cancel 2018.1]

So if there's no skill gap, why is there a wage gap?

I've already explained that to you, several times in fact. If you have to ask then you're to thick to get it. Take a microeconomics class (and pass it).

 

[Micawber]

You got out over your skis.

I like that one.

 

[The Derp]

I've already explained that to you, several times in fact. If you have to ask then you're to thick to get it. Take a microeconomics class (and pass it).

You didn't explain it. You vomited (more like plagiarized) some half-baked gibberish about microeconomics, which isn't applicable here.

The reason Walmart pays its workers $10/hr is because that's how they achieve $14B in profit.

It's got nothing to do with skill set or the quality of the worker; all it has to do with is Walmart addiction to government assistance/corporate welfare.

 

[Micawber]

I hate both stores for different reasons.

I hate Walmart because they sell junk, I hate Costco because every time I go I spend much more than I intended and on impulse durables.
Like I just gotta have that auto lid raising trashcan and the damn 1 gallon sized coffee thermos. Wow, that salmon looks good, guess I'll buy
a ton. And I'll need that huge can of lump crabmeat. I avoid that place now.

 

[The Derp]

No, the concept of marginal utility as it applies to employee wages is above your comprehension level.

Ah, but we've established that the standard for hiring employees is the same at both companies; yet one company pays its workers enough that they don't qualify for assistance, and one doesn't. The one that doesn't made $14B in profit last year, while its workers collected $6B in assistance. Which one was that?

 

[The Derp]

I hate both stores for different reasons.

I hate Walmart because they sell junk, I hate Costco because every time I go I spend much more than I intended and on impulse durables.
Like I just gotta have that auto lid raising trashcan and the damn 1 gallon sized coffee thermos. Wow, that salmon looks good, guess I'll buy
a ton. And I'll need that huge can of lump crabmeat. I avoid that place now.

Costco has a very successful business model...one that doesn't rely almost entirely on government assistance, like Walmart.

 

[Cancel 2018.1]

No, you're the one not making sense.

The skill required to do a Sales Associate job at Walmart is the same as the skill required to do a Sales Associate job at Costco.

So since the skill level is the same, why does Walmart pay its employees 45% less than Costco for doing the same job?

I think you know the answer, and I think it's one you're reluctant to give.

No, the answer is pretty easy in fact.
Let's say Walmart hires two people with really shitty attendance records, for whatever reason, then they can count on those two to be absent from work, a lot. But on avg. the two workers will be there the equivalent of one full time employee that never calls in sick. Since they have a history of being undependable from previous employers Walmart will pay them less, and should. The drawback is Walmart not being able to predict when these two crappy employees will show up or not, so these employees 'produce', or are responsible for less units than one dependable Costco employee which is why the Costco worker get paid significantly more. That's the concept of marginal utility as applied to wages. But I don't expect you to understand that.

 

[The Derp]

No, the answer is pretty easy in fact.
Let's say Walmart hires two people with really shitty attendance records, for whatever reason, then they can count on those two to be absent from work, a lot. But on avg. the two workers will be there the equivalent of one full time employee that never calls in sick. Since they have a history of being undependable from previous employers Walmart will pay them less, and should. The drawback is Walmart not being able to predict when these two crappy employees will show up or not, so these employees 'produce', or are responsible for less units than one dependable Costco employee which is why the Costco worker get paid significantly more. That's the concept of marginal utility as applied to wages. But I don't expect you to understand that.

No, the reason is because Walmart makes $14B in profit if it pays its employees wages so low, they qualify for government assistance.

That's the singular reason.

You seem to think that Walmart's low pay naturally attracts unskilled workers. But that's not true. There are about 9 times more Walmarts than Costcos in the US; so it's not about what you're pretending it is. Walmart can afford to pay its workers the same wages Costco does; it just chooses not to because of the government assistance low paid workers can get.

In your opinion, if Walmart paid its workers the same as Costco, would Walmart still be profitable?

If the answer is yes, then Walmart has no excuse to not raise wages.
If the answer is no, then Walmart is a failed business that should die.

It can only be one of those two.

 

[Cancel 2018.1]

I hate both stores for different reasons.

I hate Walmart because they sell junk, I hate Costco because every time I go I spend much more than I intended and on impulse durables.
Like I just gotta have that auto lid raising trashcan and the damn 1 gallon sized coffee thermos. Wow, that salmon looks good, guess I'll buy
a ton. And I'll need that huge can of lump crabmeat. I avoid that place now.

When we go to Hawai'i for two weeks and my wife has a cough, she 'has' to go to Costco and buy a lifetime supply of Hall's cough drops, e.g., which sits in our owner's closet for yrs. until we need the room and have to throw it away.
Impossible to explain the lunacy of that without a major argument.
I also agree with you about Walmart.
I'd rather pay more and go to Fred Meyer or Target.

 

[Micawber]

I agree with Derp, assistance is intended to help poor people, not to subsidize scumbag deatbeat employers.
An outside the box answer is to levy a tax on businesses who employ some certain percentage of people who require public assistance.
If say 10 percent of employees are on public assistance it should create a rebuttable presumption affecting the burden of proof that the entity
has incorporated corporate welfare as part of the business model. Then they would have to pay back the state for every penny.
Should they be found guilty, the plaintiff recover costs and atty fees in addition to statutory damages.

That'll fuckem goodly. Maybe the monies should have to be taken from dividends.

 

[CFM]

Why don't you deal with the fact that the pay disparity between Walmart and Costco for the same position and skill set completely undermines your argument that wage is determined by skill level?

Why don't you deal with the fact that the pay disparity means that Walmart places a different value on those skills than Costco? If the people at Walmart agree to the pay by taking the job, they agree that their skills are worth that wage. All Walmart is doing is making the offer.

 

[CFM]

How could that be because it's the same exact job?

Seems like you don't really understand your own argument.

That's why you can't put forth a coherent response.

YOU SAID someone's skill level is commensurate with their pay. Yet we have a situation where the disparity is so large, that principle cannot be relied upon.

Why is it that Costco pays $18/hr instead of $10/hr?

There are no exact same jobs, boy. I've explained the difference. I've also explained why you're too stupid to understand it.

 

[CFM]

But that's not what you said before. You said a $10/hr job is worth $10/hr, yet that same job pays $18/hr elsewhere.

So your entire belief system when it comes to wages is subjective bullshit, isn't it?

It's not what you heard before, retard.

 

[CFM]

Yet Costco determines it to be $18/hr.

YOU SAID that pay is commensurate with skill, and we have a situation where the same skill is valued differently. But according to you, there can only be one value. You're the one who said those jobs pay what they're worth...you didn't say those jobs pay what they're subjective worth is.

The reason you didn't say that was because you would then have to admit that it's your subjectivity, not the facts, that lead you to believe a retail job is "worth" $10/hr. So back when I said that was your subjective judgement and you arrogantly insisted it wasn't, I was actually right and you were just bullshitting.

Never said there could only be one value. That's what you wanted to hear. It's a fact that one place deems the job is worth one amount and another place deems it worth a different amount. Since each place is doing its own paying, separate from the other, they can deem it differently and both be correct.

 

[CFM]

You're the one who is now changing your argument as the facts become clearer. So before when you insisted it wasn't a subjective judgment to value workers at a particular wage, you actually meant it is wholly subjective.

So your argument is basically that words don't mean what they mean.

My argument is that you're a cowardly piece of shit.

 

[CFM]

That's not what you said at first. At first, you insisted there wasn't a level of subjectivity to it. Then you tried to make an economic argument, only to see that argument fall flat when you were educated that pay disparities exist.

Why doesn't Walmart value their workers at $18/hr like Costco does? I'll tell you why; because if they did, they wouldn't have made $14B in profit last year.

That's exactly what I said, boy.

Isn't America great when a company can make $14 B and piss off worthless individuals like you?

The Walton family could buy and sell your kind like cattle. Deal with it.

 

[The Derp]

Why don't you deal with the fact that the pay disparity means that Walmart places a different value on those skills than Costco?

WHY does it do that, do you think?

WHY does Walmart value those jobs at $10/hr while Costco values them at $18/hr?

 

[The Derp]

If the people at Walmart agree to the pay by taking the job, they agree that their skills are worth that wage. All Walmart is doing is making the offer.

No, they don't. Because there are about 9 times as many Walmart stores as there are Costco stores.

 

[The Derp]

There are no exact same jobs, boy. I've explained the difference. I've also explained why you're too stupid to understand it.

No, the jobs are exactly the same; they serve the same function. Even the job websites for both companies list the exact same qualifications for the sam positions; none.

You're being a voluntary ignoramus now.