For something whose primary purpose is supposedly to kill people, guns aren't really used to kill very many people, not when you consider that there is about one for every person in the country. If they were the problem you imagine they were, one would expect millions of deaths each year. The fact that gun deaths have declined while gun sales have increased tells us that your fears about guns are not rational. While autos, whose primary purpose is something completely different, are used to kill more people than guns are.
It's become as American as apple pie and baseball,
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cawacko
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Pretty surprising to hear a liberal on this board make that argument but kudos.
Yet that decrease in the homicide rate argues against your paranoia about guns. The decrease is most likely due to taking the lead out of gasoline, leading to a generation less prone to violent impulses. That's the direction we need to focus on, what makes people misuse guns. Gun control is wasted effort.
Because some people are racists, thus it just has to matter. To them.
Where does the article say anything about "a college educated Vegan with African heritage"? And he didn't "take him out", just wrestled the gun away and made him run away.
"gun nut dad" based on nothing at all.
And even more traffic deaths.
Indeed. As has been stated before, if you remove less than a dozen gang-infested inner-city areas from the statistics, the U.S. is just as safe as most Western European countries. Even with those aeas included, the U.S. has one of the lowest homicide rates in the Western Hemisphere.
Reality is not racist. Denying reality is racist.
Again, Japan, with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, has a suicide rate that exceeds our combined homicide and suicide rates. Brazil, with very strict gun laws and 2/3 our population, has twice as many annual gun deaths as we do. Tou're obsessed with guns and gun deaths. Our problem isn't guns. It's mainly a few subcultures that are predisposed to violent behavior.
And if you could get rid of all of the guns, you'd still have the behavior, and most of those deaths. But if you could do something about the behavior, the guns wouldn't matter.
Mass shootings are a tiny fraction of total homicides. They just get a lot more media attention."Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used."
Is the subject not mass shootings in America?
Is there any question what cultural background is behind more mass shootings in America than any other .. including Muslims?
That problem is only "obvious" to those who are obsessed with guns. If you actually look at the real world, it's obvious that the real problem is something else, likely several things other than simply guns.
Thirty thousand plus a year are killed by guns, and a large part of that is preventable, that is the key, your talking about innocent people being shot. Your comparison to the number of people and guns out there doesn't make sense, like saying we shouldn't worry about a rash of airplane failures cause we got thousands and thousands of airplanes out there
And as I said there is no proof of causation between declining gun deaths and rising gun ownership, there are numerous variable that explain it better, for example the mere fact the population is getting older, yesterday's wannabe gangsters are now grandfathers
Plus the number of total guns has increased, but the number of actual gun owners has decreased, meaning the same people are buying more guns rather than a proliferation of guns reducing gun deaths
Thirty thousand plus a year are killed by guns, and a large part of that is preventable, that is the key, your talking about innocent people being shot. Your comparison to the number of people and guns out there doesn't make sense, like saying we shouldn't worry about a rash of airplane failures cause we got thousands and thousands of airplanes out there
And as I said there is no proof of causation between declining gun deaths and rising gun ownership, there are numerous variable that explain it better, for example the mere fact the population is getting older, yesterday's wannabe gangsters are now grandfathers
Plus the number of total guns has increased, but the number of actual gun owners has decreased, meaning the same people are buying more guns rather than a proliferation of guns reducing gun deaths
No, that there is a problem is obvious. It is not obvious that guns are the problem. It seems far more likely that the real problem is something else, like changes in culture. We didn't have this problem 50 years ago, when guns were more easily available to almost everyone. If guns were the problem, shouldn't our increasing restrictions have made things better?
SmarterthanYou
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how are those preventable?
so then that should lead us to logically believe that the number of school/mass shootings isn't proof of causation to guns being easier to obtain........is it not?
Ah, last I knew, people living in inner city areas were still Americans, didn't know we were into separating Americans, and incase you forgot the overwhelming majority of mass shootings, those shooting innocent people in churches, schools, nightclubs, restaurants, shopping malls, child care centers, and outdoor concerts weren't those living in an inner city
How is your wishful thinking going to create a better future?
Ah, perhaps by addressing easy access to guns, ain't a whole lot of hurdles out there stopping one who really wants a weapon from getting one, especially if you reside in or near certain areas of the Nation
And no proven by the fact in all those situations weapons were obtained easily by the shooters