First it was Confederate monuments - Now it's former president William McKinley

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No other city has taken down a monument to a president for his misdeeds. But Arcata is poised to do just that. The target is an 8½-foot bronze likeness of William McKinley, who was president at the turn of the last century and stands accused of directing the slaughter of Native peoples in the U.S. and abroad.

"Put a rope around its neck and pull it down," Chris Peters shouted at a recent rally held at the statue, which has adorned the central square for more than a century.

Peters, who heads the Arcata-based Seventh Generation Fund for Indigenous People, called McKinley a proponent of "settler colonialism" that "savaged, raped and killed."

A presidential statue would be the most significant casualty in an emerging movement to remove monuments honoring people who helped lead what Native groups describe as a centuries-long war against their very existence.



The push follows the rapid fall of Confederate memorials across the South in a victory for activists who view them as celebrating slavery. In the nearly eight months since white supremacists marched in central Virginia to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue, cities across the country have yanked dozens of Confederate monuments. Black politicians and activists have been among the strongest supporters of the removals.

This time, it's tribal activists taking charge, and it's the West and California in particular leading the way. The state is home to the largest Native American population in the country and more than 100 federally recognized tribes.

In February, San Francisco officials said they planned to remove a prominent downtown monument depicting a defeated Native American at the feet of a vaquero and a Spanish missionary. In March, the San Jose City Council booted a statue of Christopher Columbus from the lobby of City Hall.

Other states are joining the movement. The city of Kalamazoo, Mich., said last month it would take down a park monument of a Native American in a headdress kneeling before a westward-facing pioneer. In Alcalde, N.M., and El Paso, statues of the conquistador Juan de Oñate have become subjects of renewed debate.

In Baltimore, a city councilman has vowed to replace a smashed Columbus monument with something that better reflects "current-day values."

In Arcata, a city of about 17,000 about two hours south of the Oregon state line, a long-simmering debate over McKinley caught fire after Charlottesville. Area tribes and activists launched a petition campaign and descended on City Hall. The protesters said they couldn't watch Confederate monuments fall without thinking of their own statue.

By the winter, the plaza played host to regular protests. McKinley became a symbol of Arcata's sins against Natives and, by extension, other races too, forcing the city to confront some of its embarrassing history. In 1886, for example, Arcata passed a law calling for the "total expulsion of the Chinese."

Is there a difference between honoring McKinley and Robert E. Lee?" the mayor, Sofia Pereira, who was part the majority, said in a recent interview. "They both represent historical pain."

The land that is now Arcata was once inhabited by the Wiyot Tribe. Then in the 1850s the logging boom began — and pioneers seeking wealth began rapidly grabbing tribal lands. In 1860, settlers massacred dozens of Wiyots, whom tribe members still mourn today. Wiyot children were commonly abducted and forced into servitude.

McKinley, a Republican who was president from 1897 until his assassination in 1901, never set foot in the region. But after his death dozens of memorials to him popped up across the nation.

In Honolulu, there's McKinley High School. In Philadelphia, a McKinley statue stands in front of City Hall. Chicago has McKinley Park neighborhood, with a statue of the president at the entrance to its main park.

McKinley fought for the Union in the Civil War. LaRue also pointed out that McKinley defied the norms of his time in appointing several African Americans to federal posts.

"Certainly by today's standards, he had different ways of looking at things," he said. "But looking at Abraham Lincoln by today's standards, you could also say he was a horrible racist."

The debate has also divided families.

Former Arcata Mayor Bob Ornelas, who has lived in the city since 1979, said tearing down McKinley would take away from the city's culture. He said he couldn't imagine the square, home to the Saturday farmers market and nearly every major city festival, without the McKinley statue there.



Other monuments protested by Native peoples are also getting private caretakers. The Columbus statue in San Jose was moved to the hall of the Italian American Heritage Foundation, where the group said it will be enclosed as protection from vandalism.

In San Francisco, the city has considered moving the "Early Days" statue to a museum, though a legal challenge has kept it up for the time being.

Another Columbus statue — the most widely seen in the world — appears to be staying put. It stands 76 feet high at the center of Columbus Circle in Manhattan.

After the Charlottesville violence, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio vowed to examine all "symbols of hate." While the city decided Columbus would stay, the mayor promised "new historical markers" near the monument to contextualize it as well as a new monument honoring "indigenous peoples."

Pereira, the Arcata mayor, said simply adding context to the McKinley monument would amount to too little, too late.

"I would not try to guess or tell other cities what to do," she said. "If you think of presidents of our country, I don't think people would even know who McKinley is. But we do. And here, we want to set the right example."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-native-american-statue-removal-20180401-story.html
 
Is there a difference between honoring McKinley and Robert E. Lee?" the mayor, Sofia Pereira, who was part the majority, said in a recent interview. "They both represent historical pain."
snowflakes
 
So what about people deciding for themselves whom to honor and whom not to honor in their own communities makes you uncomfortable? Should you and you alone decide for them who they should honor in their own communities?

Were patriot groups "snowflakes" for tearing down statues of British monarchs?

The notion that people can decide things for themselves must be highly distressful to you heh?
 
So what about people deciding for themselves whom to honor and whom not to honor in their own communities makes you uncomfortable? Should you and you alone decide for them who they should honor in their own communities?

Were patriot groups "snowflakes" for tearing down statues of British monarchs?

The notion that people can decide things for themselves must be highly distressful to you heh?

tearing down historical markers to William McKinley is patently absurd. He was a good president. Kina ushered the modern presidency. WTF you bring in British monarchs just shows you have no real complaints
 
tearing down historical markers to William McKinley is patently absurd. He was a good president. Kina ushered the modern presidency. WTF you bring in British monarchs just shows you have no real complaints

I hope the snowflakes don't find about Pres. William Harrison :palm:
 
snowflakes

I think you are spending too much time stressing out about insignificant hunks of rock in insignificant little towns.

Now, if they ever try to tear down the Bon Scott monument in Australia, give me a holler. Cause them's going to be fightin' words!
 
I think you are spending too much time stressing out about insignificant hunks of rock in insignificant little towns.

Now, if they ever try to tear down Bon Scott in Australia, give me a holler. Cause them's going to be fightin' words!
it's the camel's nose under the tent syndrome- or more accurately the lunatics are now completely in control of the asylum.
Commenting on the stupidity of PC America isn't stressful, although it is :barf:
 
So what about people deciding for themselves whom to honor and whom not to honor in their own communities makes you uncomfortable? Should you and you alone decide for them who they should honor in their own communities?

Were patriot groups "snowflakes" for tearing down statues of British monarchs?

The notion that people can decide things for themselves must be highly distressful to you heh?

Well, Obama did remove the bust of Churchill from the Oval office, LOL.
 
No other city has taken down a monument to a president for his misdeeds. But Arcata is poised to do just that. The target is an 8½-foot bronze likeness of William McKinley, who was president at the turn of the last century and stands accused of directing the slaughter of Native peoples in the U.S. and abroad.

"Put a rope around its neck and pull it down," Chris Peters shouted at a recent rally held at the statue, which has adorned the central square for more than a century.

Peters, who heads the Arcata-based Seventh Generation Fund for Indigenous People, called McKinley a proponent of "settler colonialism" that "savaged, raped and killed."

A presidential statue would be the most significant casualty in an emerging movement to remove monuments honoring people who helped lead what Native groups describe as a centuries-long war against their very existence.



The push follows the rapid fall of Confederate memorials across the South in a victory for activists who view them as celebrating slavery. In the nearly eight months since white supremacists marched in central Virginia to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue, cities across the country have yanked dozens of Confederate monuments. Black politicians and activists have been among the strongest supporters of the removals.

This time, it's tribal activists taking charge, and it's the West and California in particular leading the way. The state is home to the largest Native American population in the country and more than 100 federally recognized tribes.

In February, San Francisco officials said they planned to remove a prominent downtown monument depicting a defeated Native American at the feet of a vaquero and a Spanish missionary. In March, the San Jose City Council booted a statue of Christopher Columbus from the lobby of City Hall.

Other states are joining the movement. The city of Kalamazoo, Mich., said last month it would take down a park monument of a Native American in a headdress kneeling before a westward-facing pioneer. In Alcalde, N.M., and El Paso, statues of the conquistador Juan de Oñate have become subjects of renewed debate.

In Baltimore, a city councilman has vowed to replace a smashed Columbus monument with something that better reflects "current-day values."

In Arcata, a city of about 17,000 about two hours south of the Oregon state line, a long-simmering debate over McKinley caught fire after Charlottesville. Area tribes and activists launched a petition campaign and descended on City Hall. The protesters said they couldn't watch Confederate monuments fall without thinking of their own statue.

By the winter, the plaza played host to regular protests. McKinley became a symbol of Arcata's sins against Natives and, by extension, other races too, forcing the city to confront some of its embarrassing history. In 1886, for example, Arcata passed a law calling for the "total expulsion of the Chinese."

Is there a difference between honoring McKinley and Robert E. Lee?" the mayor, Sofia Pereira, who was part the majority, said in a recent interview. "They both represent historical pain."

The land that is now Arcata was once inhabited by the Wiyot Tribe. Then in the 1850s the logging boom began — and pioneers seeking wealth began rapidly grabbing tribal lands. In 1860, settlers massacred dozens of Wiyots, whom tribe members still mourn today. Wiyot children were commonly abducted and forced into servitude.

McKinley, a Republican who was president from 1897 until his assassination in 1901, never set foot in the region. But after his death dozens of memorials to him popped up across the nation.

In Honolulu, there's McKinley High School. In Philadelphia, a McKinley statue stands in front of City Hall. Chicago has McKinley Park neighborhood, with a statue of the president at the entrance to its main park.

McKinley fought for the Union in the Civil War. LaRue also pointed out that McKinley defied the norms of his time in appointing several African Americans to federal posts.

"Certainly by today's standards, he had different ways of looking at things," he said. "But looking at Abraham Lincoln by today's standards, you could also say he was a horrible racist."

The debate has also divided families.

Former Arcata Mayor Bob Ornelas, who has lived in the city since 1979, said tearing down McKinley would take away from the city's culture. He said he couldn't imagine the square, home to the Saturday farmers market and nearly every major city festival, without the McKinley statue there.



Other monuments protested by Native peoples are also getting private caretakers. The Columbus statue in San Jose was moved to the hall of the Italian American Heritage Foundation, where the group said it will be enclosed as protection from vandalism.

In San Francisco, the city has considered moving the "Early Days" statue to a museum, though a legal challenge has kept it up for the time being.

Another Columbus statue — the most widely seen in the world — appears to be staying put. It stands 76 feet high at the center of Columbus Circle in Manhattan.

After the Charlottesville violence, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio vowed to examine all "symbols of hate." While the city decided Columbus would stay, the mayor promised "new historical markers" near the monument to contextualize it as well as a new monument honoring "indigenous peoples."

Pereira, the Arcata mayor, said simply adding context to the McKinley monument would amount to too little, too late.

"I would not try to guess or tell other cities what to do," she said. "If you think of presidents of our country, I don't think people would even know who McKinley is. But we do. And here, we want to set the right example."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-native-american-statue-removal-20180401-story.html

So, the Mayor can't handle "historical pain", eh? America may as well shut the doors and close up shop then. As long as there is a present, there is a past. Never did the advice of "get over it" apply more accurately.
 
it's the camel's nose under the tent syndrome- or more accurately the lunatics are now completely in control of the asylum.
Commenting on the stupidity of PC America isn't stressful, although it is :barf:

A carved rock in an obscure town is just not that high on my radar.

Never have really been a fan of statues and monoliths, especially for the leaders of a democratic republic, or for our generals.
It seems a little to Stalin-esque to me, and has the faint reek of Soviet or North Korean kitsch.
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I like the Washington monument and the Vietnam memorial, because they are classy, artistic, non-anthropomorphic, and iconic.
 
A carved rock in an obscure town is just not that high on my radar.

Never have really been a fan of statues and monoliths, especially for the leaders of a democratic republic, or for our generals.
It seems a little to Stalin-esque to me, and has the faint reek of Soviet or North Korean kitsch.

I like the Washington monument and the Vietnam memorial, because they are classy, artistic, non-anthropomorphic, and iconic.
the statue itself isn't that important except it's not the only one that's targeted.
If you read the article there are others, there is the war on Christopher Columbus,and there is the Jefferson statue at Hofstra. Now are you concerned? It's obvious the PC/far/whack-a-doodle left agenda is to whitewash selected parts of history that cause them "historical pain".

Americans don't do markers or statues anymore because we don't produce notables, but also because we have no sense of the continuum of the county. We live/ponder in the moment of Tweets and iphones.

You Stalinesque memories of statutes should not color your evaluation of the the historical perspective here.
 
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tearing down historical markers to William McKinley is patently absurd. He was a good president. Kina ushered the modern presidency. WTF you bring in British monarchs just shows you have no real complaints

I don't have any complaints about statues of William McKinley but then again there is not a huge bronze statue of him in my community either. My point is which you offered no response to is that why does it matter to you? If you don't live in the community then why do you care? Why do you feel you should tell other people in a different community what statues they should or should not maintain? Who they should or should not honor? Quite fucking arrogant of you.
 
Oh yay Ye Olde Slippery Slope Argument. Thanks for failing.
do you bother to think before you react??

The contention is that the obsession of rooting out every CSA statues - of historical importance or not;
has led to the inevitable next step of Jefferson, McKinley etc. IOW's "one thing leads to another"
 
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