the Mind boggles at Trump supporters.

noise said:
I'm well aware of tax reform, trade negotiations under U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, as well as Trump's foreign policies.

I'm also aware of the rollbacks from chocking regs. like WOTUS, and insane EPA limits on ozone. etc.

Considering #NeverTrumps and a bullshit 'Russian collusion' investigation fueled by the Steele dossier
and Deep State's extra-Constitutional assault on aspects of Trumps POTUS - i'm OK where he is so far.

But he needs legislation, and I am for corporate tax reduction along with closing loopholes/deductions.
Doubling the standard deduction means many won't have to file but a "postcard" return

In short: there is no need for you to tell me where i should base my politics.

When you go to "fascists"..you are dog whistling for somebody else benefit -not mine
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In short, you're full of it...because the shotgun of talking points and buzz words you just regurgitated doesn't cut the mustard. For your education:

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/trumps-tax-plan-rich/

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/trump-muddles-economic-indicators/

Now, care to answer the OP honestly?
 
cawacko said:
It is about belief if that person (voter) feels an individual's actions are irrelevant so Moore would have nothing to do with anything
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That's just denial...because the FACTS IN EVIDENCE clearly shows that Trump's individual actions are mirrored in his decisions. How the hell can people deny this in light of what's happening borders on delusion and/or science fiction. Remember how the right wing screamed that Obama was a muslim, not understanding what it is to be a true American? Yet the man's actions were in sync with his past individual actions and often publically stated beliefs. He was a right of center Democrat and liberal...past & present.
 
Taichiliberal said:
That's just denial...because the FACTS IN EVIDENCE clearly shows that Trump's individual actions are mirrored in his decisions. How the hell can people deny this in light of what's happening borders on delusion and/or science fiction. Remember how the right wing screamed that Obama was a muslim, not understanding what it is to be a true American? Yet the man's actions were in sync with his past individual actions and often publically stated beliefs. He was a right of center Democrat and liberal...past & present.
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I'm a Republican who didn't vote for Trump. But it's pretty clear there will not be an acceptable answer to you from any Trump voter. So nothing wrong with you asking the question you did but let's just be real about what the results will be.
 
Taichiliberal said:
That's just denial...because the FACTS IN EVIDENCE clearly shows that Trump's individual actions are mirrored in his decisions. How the hell can people deny this in light of what's happening borders on delusion and/or science fiction. Remember how the right wing screamed that Obama was a muslim, not understanding what it is to be a true American? Yet the man's actions were in sync with his past individual actions and often publically stated beliefs. He was a right of center Democrat and liberal...past & present.
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And fwiw it's not denial. Read this board. Several people have said individual actions do not matter. It doesn't matter if a candidate has harassed someone. It's how they vote that counts. I don't believe that but many many do
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Indeed it did but that doesn’t change the fact that Trumps catering to a populist message and manipulating racial resentments of white working class voters with no underlying governing philosophy was a sale pitch formulated to appeal to the ignorant.

I do give large credit to Trump for outmaneuvering an out of touch and moribund GOP establishment but he was also aided by the rise of Sanders, an even worse candidate than Trump, and a Democratic Party that undermined the Democratic process and itself by choosing an unpalatable Hillary Clinton for us. Trumps enexpected win was the greatest example of a US politician out maneuvering his opponents since Lincoln won the GOP nomination in 1860.
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careful your lib card may be withdrawn if you go any further for denying muh russia.
 
Taichiliberal said:
typical Trump tactic....never answer a question....instead go on the attack. the Franken situation has gotten the same front page coverage, etc. You forget Trump has a much more extensive history of misogyny...and he is the President.
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so the president has dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women,really iyou might need some help,typical liberal bs.
the president likes women ,i thank you are confused,the misogynist is hillary clinton ,stop whining you lost and you will loose again.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Can someone please explain to me how male Trump supporters look their mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, girlfriends in the eye and try to justify Trump's documented boorish behavior and attitudes with a straight face? :dunno:
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Taichiliberal said:
But yet your dumb ass excuses the entire regime that has been behind Reagan, the Bush Crime family and this current POS in office.

It's like this, dummy....you NEVER find me trying to justify any political wrong doing regardless of the party affiliation....which is why I'm a (true) independent voter....unlike you, who doesn't have the cojones to honestly own up to the POS you support.
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What total bullshit....your own op shows you're nothing but a left wing hack....
In spit of Franken, Conyers and others and their Democrat supporters, you focus on Trump...not surprising to me at all because I've always known you were a left wing hack....
Bush Crime Family....only in your demented imagination....guess you've never noticed the Clinton Crime Family, with a 30+ year history of scandals and crime activity...with such a powerful political machine that it couldn't be penetrated ....and of course you
overlook the POS that served in the last administration....talk about organized crime !
This POS politicized the CIA, DOJ, FBI, IRS,....the entire gov. into his family of crime.......destroyed the reputations of all those organizations so that no rational person has trust in anything they say or do.....
Chew on reality for awhile....
 
Man, how can anyone stand to listen to Trump? He wakes up on Thanksgiving morning, and basically beats his chest for a few hours.

All Presidents have ego, but he is a true ego-MANIAC. Just completely full of himself.
 
Imperator said:
imi not going to fuck myself over for the rest of my life and lose guns, or grow the socialist state, lose out on judges, just because trump said a few meany words :(

this is real life, not kindergarten. grow the fuck up.
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So, the right has convinced you that the dems are going to fuck you over, take your guns and grow a socialist state?
When has that happened in the past with the dems in power?
Man, you really are a gullible fool.
The republicans have you just where they want you. They love uneducated, ignorant, unsophisticated voters. They are so easy to bamboozle.
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
So, the right has convinced you that the dems are going to fuck you over, take your guns and grow a socialist state?
When has that happened in the past with the dems in power?
Man, you really are a gullible fool.
The republicans have you just where they want you. They love uneducated, ignorant, unsophisticated voters. They are so easy to bamboozle.
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when has abortion been taken away or when have minorities been genocided?

all the minorities and gay people freaking about about trump need to calm down. there day to day is zero percent different from 1.5 years ago
 
Imperator said:
when has abortion been taken away or when have minorities been genocided?

all the minorities and gay people freaking about about trump need to calm down. there day to day is zero percent different from 1.5 years ago
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Michael Moore admits that he wants to repeal the Second Amendment.

That's a fact.
 
Imperator said:
when has abortion been taken away or when have minorities been genocided?

all the minorities and gay people freaking about about trump need to calm down. there day to day is zero percent different from 1.5 years ago
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there day to day???


Trump voters are idiots. I rest my case.
 
cawacko said:
And fwiw it's not denial. Read this board. Several people have said individual actions do not matter. It doesn't matter if a candidate has harassed someone. It's how they vote that counts. I don't believe that but many many do
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Several people are full of it when they say this, because those same people held Obama and Clinton to a different standard. Mind you, if the rape allegations by Paula Jones came during either of Clinton's elections, it might of had a drastic effect.

But

The general public could care less about his PRIVATE infidelity, since Mrs. Clinton didn't seem to mind. Trump, on the other hand, has a history of VERY PUBLIC boorish behavior when it comes to women, minorities, etc....and he takes that attitude into action (i.e., his entry into the 2016 election via the birther nonsense, his public actions/comments regarding the Central Park Five, his comments on Mexican immigrants.)

Two types of people voted for Trump....those that STILL cling to the insanity of Reaganomics, and the foolish working/middle class bigots and racists who deluded themselves into thinking Trump was standing up for them.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Several people are full of it when they say this, because those same people held Obama and Clinton to a different standard. Mind you, if the rape allegations by Paula Jones came during either of Clinton's elections, it might of had a drastic effect.

But

The general public could care less about his PRIVATE infidelity, since Mrs. Clinton didn't seem to mind. Trump, on the other hand, has a history of VERY PUBLIC boorish behavior when it comes to women, minorities, etc....and he takes that attitude into action (i.e., his entry into the 2016 election via the birther nonsense, his public actions/comments regarding the Central Park Five, his comments on Mexican immigrants.)

Two types of people voted for Trump....those that STILL cling to the insanity of Reaganomics, and the foolish working/middle class bigots and racists who deluded themselves into thinking Trump was standing up for them.
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Look at the number of high profile liberals who have come out today and said we should have impeached Clinton, his behavior was not acceptable, especially after the Broderick claim but even with Lewinsky.

It goes back to what one's big picture goal is. If it's to eliminate this type of behavior by men than it can not be in any way a partisan thing. But there were feminist defending Bill Clinton saying the legislation he can pass is more important than his actions. Once it turns into a partisan thing then all bets are out the window.
 
cawacko said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Several people are full of it when they say this, because those same people held Obama and Clinton to a different standard. Mind you, if the rape allegations by Paula Jones came during either of Clinton's elections, it might of had a drastic effect.

But

The general public could care less about his PRIVATE infidelity, since Mrs. Clinton didn't seem to mind. Trump, on the other hand, has a history of VERY PUBLIC boorish behavior when it comes to women, minorities, etc....and he takes that attitude into action (i.e., his entry into the 2016 election via the birther nonsense, his public actions/comments regarding the Central Park Five, his comments on Mexican immigrants.)

Two types of people voted for Trump....those that STILL cling to the insanity of Reaganomics, and the foolish working/middle class bigots and racists who deluded themselves into thinking Trump was standing up for them.
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Look at the number of high profile liberals who have come out today and said we should have impeached Clinton, his behavior was not acceptable, especially after the Broderick claim but even with Lewinsky.

It goes back to what one's big picture goal is. If it's to eliminate this type of behavior by men than it can not be in any way a partisan thing. But there were feminist defending Bill Clinton saying the legislation he can pass is more important than his actions. Once it turns into a partisan thing then all bets are out the window.
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Remember to what I already asserted, the bulk of Slick Willy's revealed dalliances came during his second term, not during the actual elections...Monica Lewinsky being the topper. All the "I would have.." baloney from die hards would NOT have added up to those who would have sunk him.

What I previously stated stands, your moot point non-with standing (and I'm not trying to be mean spirited).
 
Imperator said:
when has abortion been taken away or when have minorities been genocided?

all the minorities and gay people freaking about about trump need to calm down. there day to day is zero percent different from 1.5 years ago
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I love it when people just make crap up and post it like it's a fact.

Trump chumps just demonize everyone who nails Trump for the sociopathic con man that he is. If you're a white conservative who is against Trump, you're suddenly an "elitist"...which is comical being that Trump is an elitist born and bred.
 
NOVA said:
What total bullshit....your own op shows you're nothing but a left wing hack....
In spit of Franken, Conyers and others and their Democrat supporters, you focus on Trump...not surprising to me at all because I've always known you were a left wing hack....
Bush Crime Family....only in your demented imagination....guess you've never noticed the Clinton Crime Family, with a 30+ year history of scandals and crime activity...with such a powerful political machine that it couldn't be penetrated ....and of course you
overlook the POS that served in the last administration....talk about organized crime !
This POS politicized the CIA, DOJ, FBI, IRS,....the entire gov. into his family of crime.......destroyed the reputations of all those organizations so that no rational person has trust in anything they say or do.....
Chew on reality for awhile....
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Nova, do you realize that your babbling is not the grand stand condemnation win you think it is?

THINK, you simpleton, THINK! The OP puts forth a query that YOU have yet to justify with any type of logic or facts. You have YET to post chapter and verse where I show stubborn denial and support of the wrong doings of ANY of the people you listed. You just saying so is NOT proof, genius.

Yes, the Bush Crime Family....put on your socks and shoes, toddle down to the library and research the Bush family history involving Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, the October Surprise...hell, even what grandpa Bush pulled in his day!

Slick Willy earned his monicker with the Iran-Contra dealings that used his state as a courier way station....don't get me started about the crap he pulled in Iraq, or his double cross on several civil rights laws. Once educated, I didn't vote for his second term and I sure as hell didn't vote for Hillary.

The intelligence and federal police agencies you listed were politicized LONG before the Slickster hit the scene...from Johnson on up (some say with Hoover, but that is another story). I don't know how old you are, but I strongly urge you to do some honest research on the issue outside of right wing news sources and bloggers.

The OP stands....YOU don't have the cojones to honestly respond.
 
chink said:
so the president has dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women,really iyou might need some help,typical liberal bs.
the president likes women ,i thank you are confused,the misogynist is hillary clinton ,stop whining you lost and you will loose again.
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All you've done is just parrot your own supposition and conjecture while ignoring the FACT that Trump EARNED his reputation YEARS AGO during his private sector PR cravings. To date, he has yet to apologize to President Obama for being wrong, the Central Park Five for bitching about their settlement for decades of wrongful imprisonment, or the numerous lawsuits and settlements regarding sexual harassment.

Oh, YOU lost too, genius, because your hero publically stated that he didn't give a damn or campaigned for your vote...he just was interested in the electoral vote....pretty elitist attitude, ehh?

And Franken has gotten his just desserts. Deal with it.
 
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