'Russiagate’ Zealots Have Become a Major Threat to US National Security

anatta said:
forget Trump. All I want is tax reform, and an end to this insane Russiaphobia -ginned up out of nothingness

Russian relations have been fucked up since NATO expansion,but now they are critically bad
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Forget Trump?

What are you willing to sacrifice for tax reform? Trump is a role model, whether we like it or not. Already, acceptance of "strategic dishonesty" and "alternative facts" is becoming the norm. Winning by deceit, insult, hypocrisy, misogyny - none of it matters, as long as it ends up w/ the winning.

I don't think you understand, at all, the long-term ramifications of what you & yours have foisted on America. We need a Lincoln-type figure to follow Trump, and even then, it will likely be a generation before we can get back to normal.
 
anatta said:
forget Trump. All I want is tax reform, and an end to this insane Russiaphobia -ginned up out of nothingness

Russian relations have been fucked up since NATO expansion,but now they are critically bad
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Why such fear of an investigation?

You would have had no such fear of any investigation of Clinton or Obama. That alone determines that your use of 'realpolitik' is illegitimate. Your ideology has everything to do with your misuse of the term.

Consider that yet another attempt to shake you out of what should be pretty embarrassing for you by now. It's like watching a friend being slowly consumed by drugs.
 
Thing1 said:
Forget Trump?

What are you willing to sacrifice for tax reform? Trump is a role model, whether we like it or not. Already, acceptance of "strategic dishonesty" and "alternative facts" is becoming the norm. Winning by deceit, insult, hypocrisy, misogyny - none of it matters, as long as it ends up w/ the winning.
Sounds like you're talking a Hillary Clinton...
I don't think you understand, at all, the long-term ramifications of what you & yours have foisted on America. We need a Lincoln-type figure to follow Trump, and even then, it will likely be a generation before we can get back to normal.
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Clearing the swamp will return us to normal....and that is being done right now...
 
blackascoal said:
Why such fear of an investigation?

You would have had no such fear of any investigation of Clinton or Obama. That alone determines that your use of 'realpolitik' is illegitimate. Your ideology has everything to do with your misuse of the term.

Consider that yet another attempt to shake you out of what should be pretty embarrassing for you by now. It's like watching a friend being slowly consumed by drugs.
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What you refuse to consider is that the 'investigators' themselves are eyeball deep in a conspiracy to cover Hillary's ass or her criminal behavior....
Your brain has become motionless .. and all avenues to critical thought are blocked
 
blackascoal said:
Why such fear of an investigation?

You would have had no such fear of any investigation of Clinton or Obama. That alone determines that your use of 'realpolitik' is illegitimate. Your ideology has everything to do with your misuse of the term.

Consider that yet another attempt to shake you out of what should be pretty embarrassing for you by now. It's like watching a friend being slowly consumed by drugs.
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who said anything about fear?
THE PROBLEM IS IT's BOGUS BASED ON "COLLUSION"
and it's destroyed US/Russian relations which are important.

I've listed some reasons
( as well as the enormous COST burden imposed by NATO expansion and Obama's European Reassurance Initiative)
..all for what exactly?

To make us safe form "da Russians" in the Baltics?? where? Poland :rofl2:
what good does it do to pour more and more men and material into eastern Europe?

Afterall when Putin wanted Crimea, he just waltzed in without firing a shot with his "little green men"
The question is WHY was he forced into that land -grab? could it be access to Sevastopol?


That alone determines that your use of 'realpolitik' is illegitimate. Your ideology has everything to do with your misuse of the term.
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what in Great Buddha's sake are you going about? realpolitik is the nature of the relationship. yes it's deteriorated by Russia phobia.But the relationship exists independent of our silly posturing
 
Thing1 said:
Forget Trump?

What are you willing to sacrifice for tax reform? Trump is a role model, whether we like it or not. Already, acceptance of "strategic dishonesty" and "alternative facts" is becoming the norm. Winning by deceit, insult, hypocrisy, misogyny - none of it matters, as long as it ends up w/ the winning.

I don't think you understand, at all, the long-term ramifications of what you & yours have foisted on America. We need a Lincoln-type figure to follow Trump, and even then, it will likely be a generation before we can get back to normal.
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get a grip on reality instead of your worthless diatribe.
I was responding to BAC and this :

You cannot save Trump. who doesn't give a rats ass about you.
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As US-Russian relations have deteriorated, the risk of a nuclear catastrophe—including the danger posed by a nuclear-armed North Korea—has risen to its highest level since the end of the Cold War.
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists now rates the danger higher than when the Soviet Union tested its first nuclear device, in 1949.

The new Cold War is punctuated by perilous military face-offs in three arenas: in Syria, in the skies over the Baltic Sea; on Russia’s western border, with 300,000 NATO troops on high alert and both Russia and NATO ramping up deployments and exercises; and in Ukraine.
Between them, the United States and Russia possess nearly 14,000 nuclear weapons—more than 90 percent of the world’s nuclear arsenal—and keep almost 2,000 of them on hair-trigger alert.
So the extreme danger of nuclear war can only be reduced through cooperation between our two countries.
https://www.thenation.com/article/realism-on-russia/
 
archives said:
So in other words you want to complete dismiss what the overwhelming number of people including GOP politicians that Russia did orchestrate an espionage effort to influence the US election? KremlinGate isn't directly focused upon proving collusion, a misnomer conservatives employ, but investigating Russia's efforts

And why is Russia, who has been antagonistic toward US policies for decades, suddenly now so trustworthy and straightforward?

The opinion piece is bogus, what is "crippling" the President is the President, he is unprepared for the job, the moment he left Asia eleven other nations reached a trade agreement amongst themselves excluding the US
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Then why is so difficult for the proof of such an effort, instead of just a bunch of bobble head standing around nodding in unison and going yep-yep-yep?
 
Bill said:
Who cares about the dnc server, they lost remember...

All your look over there bs does not take away one thing from what the dirty & kids did. NARY A ONE...

Had they not met w/ russians etc this wouldn't even need your unceasing defense........
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Furthermore the FBI could have gotten a search warrant. Only Conservatards think the FBI is entitled to carte b
lanche.
fuck those fucking assholes.
 
Rune said:
He did comment on the OP, Chicken Little. Shut the fuck up you whining teenage bitch.
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oh look who decided to infect the thread with his pablum..
feel free to jump into a conversation between me and Bill while adding absolutely nothing
 
Rune said:
Furthermore the FBI could have gotten a search warrant. Only Conservatards think the FBI is entitled to carte b
lanche.
fuck those fucking assholes.
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so why didn't they get a search warrant?
The DNC wouldn't let the FBI examine the server! That sets off all kinds of red flags!

CrowdStrike screwed upon their Ukraine analysis as well!! why didn't the FBI bother to check their work??

Late last year, the International Institute for Strategic Studies, a respected British think tank, disputed CrowdStrike’s analysis of a Russian hack during Ukraine’s war with Russian-backed separatists. CrowdStrike later revised and retracted portions of its analysis.
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Even Lindsey Graham -certainly no friend of Russia- has serious doubts about their competency
I want to find out from the company [that] did the forensics what their full findings were,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is leading the Judiciary Committee’s inquiry, told The Washington Times.

Scrutinizing the DNC server hack and CrowdStrike’s analysis has not factored heavily in multiple probes exploring the Russia issue. But behind the scenes, discussions are growing louder, congressional sources say.
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noise said:
so why didn't they get a search warrant?
The DNC wouldn't let the FBI examine the server! That sets off all kinds of red flags!

CrowdStrike screwed upon their Ukraine analysis as well!! why didn't the FBI bother to check their work??



Even Lindsey Graham -certainly no friend of Russia- has serious doubts about their competency
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If I had to guess there simply were no grounds for the issuance of a warrant.

What grounds could there possibly be?
 
Rune said:
If I had to guess there simply were no grounds for the issuance of a warrant.

What grounds could there possibly be?
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are you serious?
all they had to say was "national security"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...nc_hack_because_it_relied_on_crowdstrike.html
According to the DNC, the FBI never asked to see their servers.
But FBI Director James Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee back in January that the FBI did, in fact, issue “multiple requests at different levels” to the DNC to gain direct access to their computer systems and conduct their own forensic analysis.
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NOVA said:
What you refuse to consider is that the 'investigators' themselves are eyeball deep in a conspiracy to cover Hillary's ass or her criminal behavior....
Your brain has become motionless .. and all avenues to critical thought are blocked
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That's stupid and demonstrates your complete lack of intellect and common sense. :0) Your brain is operated by remote control.

Are you talking about flaming liberal Hillary supporters like this guy???


With all that's facing the buffoon your dumb ass voted for, here you are whining about imaginary Clinton 'crimes' more than a year after she lost.

:0) You are a dummy .. but feel free to come back and tell me about cognitive dissonance anytime you choose.

I know .. and Obama doesn't have a birth certificate. :palm:
 
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