How many eggs do Republucans have in the Trump Basket?

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Amadeus

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If Trump turns out to be as crooked and colluding as his detractors say he is, what is left of the Republican party? How can they possibly rebuild from this? It seems like all of the Republicans' hopes and dreams for at LEAST a generation depend on Trump being a straight shooter.

Good luck!

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trump is not a true republican. he's a third party under the republican banner. I do hope he destroys the republicans though
 
Douchebag Donald was nominated by the GOP. Hence, he is the leader of the Republican Party, and it now represents his character and values.
 
Amadeus said:
If Trump turns out to be as crooked and colluding as his detractors say he is, what is left of the Republican party? How can they possibly rebuild from this? It seems like all of the Republicans' hopes and dreams for at LEAST a generation depend on Trump being a straight shooter.

Good luck!

:awesome:
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Many of you here on the left like talking Republican issues but almost never talk about what's going on with your own party. I mean many look at Bernie Sanders as your leader. What's your future there?
 
cawacko said:
Many of you here on the left like talking Republican issues but almost never talk about what's going on with your own party. I mean many look at Bernie Sanders as your leader. What's your future there?
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Liberalism and progressive values have always been the future, and will always be the future. Just as you are more progressive than your parents, your children will be more progressive than you. That's the future.
 
Amadeus said:
Liberalism and progressive values have always been the future, and will always be the future. Just as you are more progressive than your parents, your children will be more progressive than you. That's the future.
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Ok. What does that mean from a Republican/Democrat perspective? You were talking political party's in your OP.

To your point capitalism is progressive and socialism and communism were shown to be failures. Progress is good
 
cawacko said:
Ok. What does that mean from a Republican/Democrat perspective? You were talking political party's in your OP.

To your point capitalism is progressive and socialism and communism were shown to be failures. Progress is good
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Well, Trumpism is a cultural/nationalist movement, not an economic one. What is really left of the Republican party, and who will be left to build it when Trump is revealed to be a total fraud at best? The two major pillars of the Republican party post-Reagan (neo-libs and neocons) are just about dead, and the libertarian Tea Party wing is represented by Rand Paul almost entirely.

The far distant future is probably some form of socialism, but until then there will be a balance between government intervention (socialism) and free market capitalism. You say socialism is a failure, but lets be clear that modern capitalism has never been implemented without an equal measure of socialism.
 
Amadeus said:
Well, Trumpism is a cultural/nationalist movement, not an economic one. What is really left of the Republican party, and who will be left to build it when Trump is revealed to be a total fraud at best? The two major pillars of the Republican party post-Reagan (neo-libs and neocons) are just about dead, and the libertarian Tea Party wing is represented by Rand Paul almost entirely.

The far distant future is probably some form of socialism, but until then there will be a balance between government intervention (socialism) and free market capitalism. You say socialism is a failure, but lets be clear that modern capitalism has never been implemented without an equal measure of socialism.
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Bill Clinton ended 12 years of Reagan/Bush with the DLC third way. Obama gets called a corporatist but he was pretty liberal. What's the party's future?

I mean there is always a pendulum and the party's will rotate power. That's not changing.

The U.S. is becoming more crony capitalism and less free economically. Many liberals here say we should be more socialistic like the Western European countries but look how well they (aren't) doing. And they face huge demographic issues to pay for their aging population.

America faced a certain crossroads before and chose Reagan. Now we face another crossroads but made a collasal blunder in Trump. From darkness comes light however
 
Amadeus said:
Liberalism and progressive values have always been the future, and will always be the future. Just as you are more progressive than your parents, your children will be more progressive than you. That's the future.
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Nonsense. Has there ever been a generation of Frenchmen, for example, as far to the left as in the 1790s? How about a generation of Russians as far to the left as in the 1920s?
 
Thing1 said:
The GOP = Trump.

Trump = the GOP.

Fun times ahead.
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that's a very simplistic way of thinking. Much of the GOP establishment is very publicly against trump, if not privately. There are tons of nevertrumpers. It is true that trump is slowly consolidating the republican party, but that's not over yet. Trump is an outsider, the GOP is its own entity. They have very separate and distinct philosophies. Most of the GOP are neo-cons and globalists. Trump is a nationalist and protectionist. The GOP was largely in support of the TPP, trump was not. etc.

Trump may very well take over the GOP and convert it, but they are not one in the same.
 
Threedee said:
Nonsense. Has there ever been a generation of Frenchmen, for example, as far to the left as in the 1790s? How about a generation of Russians as far to the left as in the 1920s?
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additionally, "progress," "traditional", and "conservative" are all relative terms. If a theocracy were to begin taking over america then liberals would suddenly be conservatives in that they would resist change and would want to preserve the status quo. The terms themselves are meaningless without context. Amadeus is a bit retarded.
 
Threedee said:
Nonsense. Has there ever been a generation of Frenchmen, for example, as far to the left as in the 1790s? How about a generation of Russians as far to the left as in the 1920s?
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You're equating far-left with liberalism. It's a bad move.
 
The Zax said:
additionally, "progress," "traditional", and "conservative" are all relative terms.
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Yes, relative to what they were in the previous generation. Just look at how liberal America has become compared to what it was in, say, the 1800s. Or the 1950s. Or the 1990s. One thing is abundantly clear -- liberalism has incrementally prevailed.

If a theocracy were to begin taking over america then liberals would suddenly be conservatives in that they would resist change and would want to preserve the status quo. The terms themselves are meaningless without context.
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Theocracy ends up on the conservative spectrum.
 
Amadumbass said:
Liberalism and progressive values have always been the future, and will always be the future. Just as you are more progressive than your parents, your children will be more progressive than you. That's the future.
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Really? That must be the reason Republicans control the House, Senate, White House and all but five State Houses.

You really are too stupid for words.
 
Amadumbass said:
Well, Trumpism is a cultural/nationalist movement, not an economic one. What is really left of the Republican party, and who will be left to build it when Trump is revealed to be a total fraud at best? The two major pillars of the Republican party post-Reagan (neo-libs and neocons) are just about dead, and the libertarian Tea Party wing is represented by Rand Paul almost entirely.

The far distant future is probably some form of socialism, but until then there will be a balance between government intervention (socialism) and free market capitalism. You say socialism is a failure, but lets be clear that modern capitalism has never been implemented without an equal measure of socialism.
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:legion:
 
Truth Detector said:
Really? That must be the reason Republicans control the House, Senate, White House and all but five State Houses.
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The flame flickers brightly before it goes out. And even these ugly nationalists are generally more progressive than their parents. Look at the social and racial battles you're fighting now compared to those of the 1960s.
 
The Zax said:
additionally, "progress," "traditional", and "conservative" are all relative terms. If a theocracy were to begin taking over america then liberals would suddenly be conservatives in that they would resist change and would want to preserve the status quo. The terms themselves are meaningless without context. Amadeus is a bit retarded.
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Why would a liberal (meaning leftist) defend theocracy? One of the reasons why I cited 1790s France and 1920s Russia is because the left abolished religion in both instances. By comparison, modern leftists merely work toward incrementalism. As for actual liberals, Jefferson tended to be pro-religion, and utilized government resources toward that end. He naturally opposed the state churches established in MA and CT, as well as state constitutions which established "the Christian religion," such as VA.
 
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