Poor George Bush - he too was born with his foot in his mouth.

Kinda funny, the President they rallied around, was their savior to a McCain candidacy, praised going into a questionable war,

There you go again; lying and making shit up. I don't take your screed seriously anymore because it predictably false and stupid.

is now hated by the very same supporters because he dare speak out about the current President, the man certainly knew his audience

There you go again; lying and making shit up. Bush doesn't understand his audience; he's lapping up the FAKE media talking points much like McCain is. We don't hate the man; but you leftTards certainly do. Yet here you are defending the man because he erupts stupidly about Trump. Dunce.
 
What irks me about this is Bush II sat on his hands for 8 years while Obama trashed him right and left.

Then he has the gall to come on the scene parroting the bullshit line about Trump dividing the country and engendering racism. What the frick did he think went on under Obama?

Now it's abundantly clear Bush II is a useless tool of the establishment---and probably always was. Btw, he did nothing but fire up Trump's base with that.

Keep it coming, George.

BINGO!!! ^Gets it.
 
The media focused only on the portions they felt attacked Trump. And I posted Ben Shapiro's response. They didn't focus where he went after the left.

And somewhat ironic is Trump supporters like calling things fake news but are buying into the media here

That's not true, read the speech, the media I saw and read covered from both sides, testimony to such is that it is the right who are now all up in arms and it is not a criticism of what he said but Bush himself as the messenger
 
That's not true, read the speech, the media I saw and read covered from both sides, testimony to such is that it is the right who are now all up in arms and it is not a criticism of what he said but Bush himself as the messenger

Now you're lying. Read every headline. It says Bush attacks Trump.
 
Now you're lying. Read every headline. It says Bush attacks Trump.

You can read the speech, your attempting to blame the media for what the President said, his criticism of the current President, you can read the speech, anyone can read the speech, why are you trying to frame it like it is the media's fault
 
You can read the speech, your attempting to blame the media for what the President said, his criticism of the current President, you can read the speech, anyone can read the speech, why are you trying to frame it like it is the media's fault

SMH. I have no problem with what Bush said. The media headlines were Bush attacks Trump. That was a portion of his speech but not the whole speech. Quit lying.
 
No wonder you ban people

Care to point out the text that proves your assertion, anchovies?

We are gathered in the cause of liberty this is a unique moment. The great democracies face new and serious threats – yet seem to be losing confidence in their own calling and competence. Economic, political and national security challenges proliferate, and they are made worse by the tendency to turn inward. The health of the democratic spirit itself is at issue. And the renewal of that spirit is the urgent task at hand. Since World War II, America has encouraged and benefited from the global advance of free markets, from the strength of democratic alliances, and from the advance of free societies. At one level, this has been a raw calculation of interest. The 20th century featured some of the worst horrors of history because dictators committed them. Free nations are less likely to threaten and fight each other, and free trade helped make America into a global economic power. For more than 70 years, the presidents of both parties believed that American security and prosperity were directly tied to the success of freedom in the world, and they knew that the success depended, in large part, on U.S. leadership. This mission came naturally, because it expressed the DNA of American idealism. We know, deep down, that repression is not the wave of the future. We know that the desire for freedom is not confined to, or owned by, any culture; it is the inborn hope of our humanity. We know that free governments are the only way to ensure that the strong are just and the weak are valued, and we know that when we lose sight of our ideals, it is not democracy that has failed. It is the failure of those charged with preserving and protecting democracy. This is not to underestimate the historical obstacles to the development of democratic institutions and a democratic culture. Such problems nearly destroyed our country – and that should encourage a spirit of humility and a patience with others. Freedom is not merely a political menu option, or a foreign policy fad; it should be the defining commitment of our country, and the hope of the world. That appeal is proved not just by the content of people’s hopes, but a noteworthy hypocrisy. No democracy pretends to be a tyranny. Most tyrannies pretend they are democracies. Democracy remains the definition of political legitimacy. That has not changed, and that will not change. Yet for years, challenges have been gathering to the principles we hold dear, and, we must take them seriously. Some of these problems are external and obvious. Here in New York City, you know the threat of terrorism all too well. It is being fought even now on distant frontiers and in the hidden world of intelligence and surveillance. There is the frightening, evolving threat of nuclear proliferation and outlaw regimes, and there is an aggressive challenge by Russia and China to the norms and rules of the global order, proposed revisions that always seem to involve less respect for the rights of free nations and less freedom for the individual. These matters would be difficult under any circumstances. They are further complicated by a trend in western countries away from global engagement and democratic confidence. Parts of Europe have developed an identity crisis. We have seen insolvency, economic stagnation, youth unemployment, anger about immigration, resurgent ethno-nationalism, and deep questions about the meaning and durability of the European Union. America is not immune from these trends. In recent decades, public confidence in our institutions has declined. Our governing class has often been paralyzed in the face of obvious and pressing needs. The American dream of upward mobility seems out of reach for some who feel left behind in a changing economy. Discontent deepened and sharpened partisan conflicts. Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication. There are some signs that the intensity of support for democracy itself has waned, especially among the young, who never experienced the galvanizing moral clarity of the Cold War, or never focused on the ruin of entire nations by socialist central planning. Some have called this “democratic deconsolidation.” Really, it seems to be a combination of weariness, frayed tempers, and forgetfulness. We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times, it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization. Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions – forgetting the image of God we should see in each other. We've seen nationalism distorted into nativism, forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to America. We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade, forgetting that conflict, instability, and poverty follow in the wake of protectionism. We have seen the return of isolationist sentiments, forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places, where threats such as terrorism, infectious disease, criminal gangs and drug trafficking tend to emerge. In all these ways, we need to recall and recover our own identity. Americans have a great advantage: To renew our country, we only need to remember our values. This is part of the reason we meet here today. How do we begin to encourage a new, 21st century American consensus on behalf of democratic freedom and free markets? That’s the question I posed to scholars at the Bush Institute. That is what Pete Wehner and Tom Melia, who are with us today, have answered with “The Spirit of Liberty: At Home, In The World,” a Call to Action paper. The recommendations come in broad categories. Here they are. First, America must harden its own defenses. Our country must show resolve and resilience in the face of external attacks on our democracy. And that begins with confronting a new era of cyber-threats. America is experiencing the sustained attempt by a hostile power to feed and exploit our country’s divisions. According to our intelligence services, the Russian government has made a project of turning Americans against each other. This effort is broad, systematic and stealthy, it’s conducted across a range of social media platforms. Ultimately, this assault won’t succeed. But foreign aggressions, including cyber-attacks, disinformation and financial influence, should not be downplayed or tolerated. This is a clear case where the strength of our democracy begins at home. We must secure our electoral infrastructure and protect our electoral system from subversion. The second category of recommendations concerns the projection of American leadership, maintaining America’s role in sustaining and defending an international order rooted in freedom and free markets. Our security and prosperity are only found in wise, sustained, global engagement: In the cultivation of new markets for American goods. In the confrontation of security challenges before they fully materialize and arrive on our shores. In the fostering of global health and development as alternatives to suffering and resentment. In the attraction of talent, energy and enterprise from all over the world. In serving as a shining hope for refugees and a voice for dissidents, human rights defenders, and the oppressed. We should not be blind to the economic and social dislocations caused by globalization. People are hurting. They are angry and they are frustrated. We must hear them and help them. But we can’t wish globalization away, any more than we could wish away the agricultural revolution or the industrial revolution. One strength of free societies is their ability to adapt to economic and social disruptions, and that should be our goal: to prepare American workers for new opportunities, to care in practical, empowering ways for those who may feel left behind. The first step should be to enact policies that encourage robust economic growth by unlocking the potential of the private sector, and for unleashing the creativity and compassion of this country. A third focus of this document is strengthening democratic citizenship, and here we must put particular emphasis on the values and views of the young. Our identity as a nation, unlike many other nations, is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood. Being an American involves the embrace of high ideals and civic responsibility. We become the heirs of Thomas Jefferson by accepting the ideal of human dignity found in the Declaration of Independence. We become the heirs of James Madison by understanding the genius and values of the US Constitution. We become the heirs of Martin Luther King, Jr., by recognizing one another not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity can be fully and equally American. It means that bigotry or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed, and it means that the very identity of our nation depends on the passing of civic ideals to the next generation. We need a renewed emphasis on civic learning in schools, and our young people need positive role models. Bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone, provides permission for cruelty and bigotry, and compromises the moral education of children. The only way to pass along civic values is to first live up to them. Finally, the Call to Action calls on the major institutions of our democracy, public and private, to consciously and urgently attend to the problem of declining trust. For example, our democracy needs a media that is transparent, accurate and fair. Our democracy needs religious institutions that demonstrate integrity and champion civil discourse. Our democracy needs institutions of higher learning that are examples of truth and free expression. In short, it is time for American institutions to step up and provide cultural and moral leadership for this nation. Ten years ago, I attended a Conference on Democracy and Security in Prague. The goal was to put human rights and human freedom at the center of our relationships with repressive governments. The Prague Charter, signed by champions of liberty Vaclav Havel, Natan Sharansky, Jose Maria Aznar, called for the isolation and ostracism of regimes that suppress peaceful opponents by threats or violence. Little did we know that, a decade later, a crisis of confidence would be developing within the core democracies, making the message of freedom more inhibited and wavering. Little did we know that repressive governments would be undertaking a major effort to encourage division in western societies and to undermine the legitimacy of elections. Repressive rivals, along with skeptics here at home, misunderstand something important. It is the great advantage of free societies that we creatively adapt to challenges, without the direction of some central authority. Self-correction is the secret strength of freedom. We are a nation with a history of resilience and a genius for renewal. Right now, one of our worst national problems is a deficit of confidence. But the cause of freedom justifies all our faith and effort. It still inspires men and women in the darkest corners of the world, and it will inspire a rising generation. The American spirit does not say, “We shall manage,” or “We shall make the best of it.” It says, “We shall overcome.” And that is exactly what we will do, with the help of God and one another.
 
You mean you can't read? Short of copying three quarters of the speech, here's a few examples

"Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication."

"We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times, it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization. Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions – forgetting the image of God we should see in each other."

"This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity can be fully and equally American. It means that bigotry or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed. (Applause.). And it means that the very identity of our nation depends on the passing of civic ideals"
 
Is there anything funnier than former defenders of George Dumbya Bush bellowing their outrage at their former hero's betrayal?

There is undoubtedly a very sizeable contingent of Trumpettes, teabaggers and wingnuts on this forum that spent the years 2000 to 2008 defending George Dumbya with every fiber of their being.

In much the same way hardly anybody fesses up to being an Iraq War supporter anymore, we are rapidly approaching the time when message board conservatives will claim they "never supported Bush".

My opinion about George Dumbya has not changed one bit. He is a war criminal, and one of the worst five presidents this great nation has ever had. The time to take a stand against Trump was 12 months ago. Not today. It's not even cool anymore to say you hate Trump. President 33 Percent Approval Rating is the most unpopular first year president in living memory, he gets blown out in the popular vote, and most of the international community including our close allies think this Orange Fat Ass is a joke at best, or a dangerously incompetent blowhard at worst.
 
You mean you can't read? Short of copying three quarters of the speech, here's a few examples "Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication." "We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times, it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization. Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions – forgetting the image of God we should see in each other." "This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity can be fully and equally American. It means that bigotry or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed. (Applause.). And it means that the very identity of our nation depends on the passing of civic ideals"


How do those snippets supposedly prove your assertion, anchovies?

I'll understand if you can't explain.
 
What irks me about this is Bush II sat on his hands for 8 years while Obama trashed him right and left.

Then he has the gall to come on the scene parroting the bullshit line about Trump dividing the country and engendering racism. What the frick did he think went on under Obama?

Now it's abundantly clear Bush II is a useless tool of the establishment---and probably always was. Btw, he did nothing but fire up Trump's base with that.

Keep it coming, George.
Bush is a neocon -forget him, He believes in American exceptionalism driven at the barrel of a gun
 
Bush is a neocon -forget him, He believes in American exceptionalism driven at the barrel of a gun

How many Republicans were against the Iraq War in 2003? Very few. Now you're not a republican but republicans on this board supported the war. Now people can change their minds over time but but let's be real about what we supported.

And I know you are a Trump supporter but Trump is no Gary Johnson. Trump is no pacifist. He may not be a neo-con because he has no actual overarching foreign policy beliefs
 
How many Republicans were against the Iraq War in 2003? Very few. Now you're not a republican but republicans on this board supported the war. Now people can change their minds over time but but let's be real about what we supported.

And I know you are a Trump supporter but Trump is no Gary Johnson. Trump is no pacifist. He may not be a neo-con because he has no actual overarching foreign policy beliefs
Dems supported the war. Hillary Clinton voted for the war.

I'm not singling out Republicans -Obama's war of destruction upon Libya was a neocon fiasco-
and Hillary was the chief international architect and US advocate that swayed Obama for that regime change to a terrorist state

Obama supported "the rebels" in Syria. so did John McCain. Clinton worked towards regime change there.
Forget all these warmongers.
But Bush also got us into Afghanistan -so he gets a dishonorable mention for both Iraq and AfPak.

I sure as hell don't want some clueless idiot like Johnson at the helm either -him and his "Aleppo moment"

The best of all of them is Rand Paul, but he's so tied up into deficit reduction at the expense of GDP growth
( if he opposes the tax reform like he did the budget) he's worthless too.

Trump has innate good ideas.
MAGA as economic nationalism, no mindless regime change, and brokering better relations with Russia .
( which we did even with Soviet Union)

Modern American politicians=
"Clowns to the left of me / jokers to the right / here I am stuck in the middle of this stupidity"
 
How many Republicans were against the Iraq War in 2003? Very few. Now you're not a republican but republicans on this board supported the war. Now people can change their minds over time but but let's be real about what we supported.

And I know you are a Trump supporter but Trump is no Gary Johnson. Trump is no pacifist. He may not be a neo-con because he has no actual overarching foreign policy beliefs

'US interests first' is a foreign policy belief. Realpolitik isn't a Trump invention but it's worked in the past---in fact, Realpolitik is the only sane course imo. Over the last two administrations we've learned we can't force nations [cultures, actually] to institute democracy.

In a certain sense, Trumpism is a remedy for neocon-ism on the one hand and Obama's mix of neocon adventurism and leading from behind, on the other.
 
What irks me about this is Bush II sat on his hands for 8 years while Obama trashed him right and left.

Then he has the gall to come on the scene parroting the bullshit line about Trump dividing the country and engendering racism. What the frick did he think went on under Obama?

Now it's abundantly clear Bush II is a useless tool of the establishment---and probably always was. Btw, he did nothing but fire up Trump's base with that.

Keep it coming, George.
Watching that speech the other day made me realize what a gutless wimp W was and always has been.

A juxtaposition between him and Trump is stark. W let the media shit on and lie about him and never stood up to them once. Not one time.

Thank God for Trump. He is my hero.
 
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