Tax Reform plan

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*The key part of the Republican tax reform plan isn't the individual or even the corporate tax rates.
*The big news is that it doubles the standard deduction and provides significant relief and simplicity for most taxpayers.
*This should be the focus of the tax reform debate, not the endless old argument about benefits for the rich.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/27/gop...assive-cut-for-most-taxpayers-commentary.html

The Trump/GOP tax reform plan is out.
And it includes what could be the most significant tax relief in modern U.S. history for Americans who really need it.

That would be the plan to double the standard deduction for federal tax filers to$12,000 for individuals and $24,000 for married couples.

This is about as far as you can get from tax plans that supposedly only favor the"1 percent" or rely on "trickle down" theories to boost the overall economy.

Now just to be clear, this doubling of the standard deduction would not really amount to a 100-percent increase in deductions for everyone. Personal exemptions are being eliminated and consolidated into that bigger standard deduction. For someone taking the current standard deduction of$6,350 and one personal exemption of $4,050, this plan offers as"little" as 15 percent net increase in the deduction. But here's anews flash: that's still a massive tax break. What would you do with 15 percent more money?

Butwhile 15 percent is nothing to sneeze at, how is this such a major game-changer overall?

First off, it's important to remember that about 70 percent of federal tax filers don't itemize according to the Tax Policy Center.That may sound crazy to homeowners and people who live in highly-taxed blue states, but it's true.

"When 70 percent of American taxpayers stand to gain such a significant increase in their tax deductions, and a significant number of the other 30 percent has a new incentive to a simpler filing process, that's where the main focus should be."

This plan sends relief to some of the more challenged segments of the American population that don't qualify for welfare protections but are still falling behind. It will likely result in more people with low income paying no taxes at all.

Let'snot forget the stubborn segment of the population that cannot or simply will not buy a home. Homeownership in America is stuck in the low 60 percent range, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau reports. That's basically the lowest it's been since 1967, and it means millions of Americans are missing out on the massive tax deductions homeowners enjoy for mortgage interest and property tax costs.

It also means that more Americans are missing out on the benefits of holding what has historically been one of the most solid investments in history. Sure we had a major housing crash just eight years ago or so, but no one can deny that was the exception as opposed to the rule. Perhaps with a massive standard deduction boost, millions of Americans will now be more able to raise the cash for a downpayment and get into the homeownership club. In any case, it gets more money into the hands of people who need it.

Another large and growing group of American taxpayers are so-called "gig economy" workers who do not hold traditional salaried jobs with one employer. Itemized tax forms are a major hurdle for these workers and are fraught with easy pitfalls that could lead to overpayment or underpayment of taxes. We've known for years that the complexity of itemizing taxes often leads people to choose not to itemize and take what they can get with the standard deduction even if that loses them some tax-refund money in the end. Now add the super complexity gig economy workers face in their returns and the chances they won't itemize is even greater.Boosting the standard deduction should be a big boon for a lot of them.

Of course, anything that makes the tax code simpler will almost always benefit the middle and lower middle class. Richer Americans can and do hire accountants,lawyers, and other staffers to help them swim through the dizzying laws and find the loopholes and caveats that help them. Most pundits are probably going to focus on how this plan simplifies taxes by going from seven tax rates to three.

But this boost in the standard deduction might actually do more to simplify the tax-filing process for a lot more people than any change to the rates. Not itemizing your taxes makes doing your taxes easier, period. And now there could be a much bigger incentive to not only make filing easier, but also reduce your tax bill.

Earlier this year, I noted how difficult it is to find some way to give middle and lower middle class Americans any level of federal tax relief because they don't pay much of the overall taxes anyway. In other words, what they do pay is probably a big deal for them, but there aren't many ways to cut their burden. But along comes this plan and it does that in a big way.

Other pundits will likely spend most of their time wringing their hands over the plan's call to reduce the highest tax rate of 39.6 percent to 35 percent and increasing the lowest tax rate from 10 percent to 12 percent. But much or all of that is offset by closing loopholes. Proof will be the lobbyists who want these arcane loopholes will squeal the loudest

Too much of our tax debate in this country and all over the Western world has for decades been dominated by a push to punish the rich over all else. As the late British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once loudly pointed out, these critics would rather see the poor get poorer than the rich get richer.

We should reject that old obsession and look at the numbers. When 70 percent of American taxpayers stand to gain such a significant increase in their tax deductions, and a significant number of the other 30 percent has a new incentive to a simpler filing process, that's where the main focus should be.Otherwise, we'll just be arguing about or for that 1 percent forever.
 
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Nice layout, Thanks.

Here's a little more info with a Q&A at the end.............
thanks for teh youtube
well i thought it was too, and should be noticed before all the NOISE of "tax cuts for the rich"
(and with closing loopholes they are not) overwhelms your Fake News/partisan purveyors
 
thanks for teh youtube
well i thought it was too, and should be noticed before all the NOISE of "tax cuts for the rich"
(and with closing loopholes they are not) overwhelms your Fake News/partisan purveyors

Now you are watching youtubes??? lol

It is a tax cut for the debt which you ppl cry about but are now cheering on adding another 6 trillion to it...:palm:
 
thanks for teh youtube
well i thought it was too, and should be noticed before all the NOISE of "tax cuts for the rich"
(and with closing loopholes they are not) overwhelms your Fake News/partisan purveyors

Agreed. Dems abhor the thought of putting all those lobbyists out of work.
Got a question. With this overhaul, will it pertain to small businesses even it's just a "one person LLC"...like an independent contractor? (I know you get what I'm talking about, LOL)
 
Now you are watching youtubes??? lol

It is a tax cut for the debt which you ppl cry about but are now cheering on adding another 6 trillion to it...:palm:
did I say i watched the YouTube? *no* and my objections to YouTube is solely as an OP..

funny how that didn't bother YOU PEOPLE under Obama..
CBO uses static scoring -this assumes dynamic scoring ( GDP growth increasing revenues)
 
Agreed. Dems abhor the thought of putting all those lobbyists out of work.
Got a question. With this overhaul, will it pertain to small businesses even it's just a "one person LLC"...like an independent contractor? (I know you get what I'm talking about, LOL)
you can mention LOPs here - i do..

The standard deduction is doubled - if you file with a lot of deductions you'll see less savings,but you should see savings
 
AP FACT CHECK: Smoke and mirrors in Trump tax plan

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-smoke-mirrors-201628335.html

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did I say i watched the YouTube? *no* and my objections to YouTube is solely as an OP..

funny how that didn't bother YOU PEOPLE under Obama..
CBO uses static scoring -this assumes dynamic scoring ( GDP growth increasing revenues)

Since you don't mind the dirty hiding his tax information, you prob don't mind his party hiding the details of this...

More debt & prob the exact same thing that happened last time-no jobs, no more this or that, just stock buy backs, dividends etc etc etc..
 
Since you don't mind the dirty hiding his tax information, you prob don't mind his party hiding the details of this...

More debt & prob the exact same thing that happened last time-no jobs, no more this or that, just stock buy backs, dividends etc etc etc..
his tax returns ?
and no there isn't any"hiding" -it has to be hashed out in Congress and voted on.

I think you should look at the substantive savings to the middle class, as well as the unleashing of GDP growth
that comes with simplification and reductions
 
his tax returns ?
and no there isn't any"hiding" -it has to be hashed out in Congress and voted on.

I think you should look at the substantive savings to the middle class, as well as the unleashing of GDP growth
that comes with simplification and reductions

Well @ the moment I am looking @ about 6 trillion more in debt... I anticipate a gold mine for the rich & the shaft for the rest of us....
 
whatever else im pretty sure trump doesnt use standardized deductions. so he would not gain from this.

If he did his tax return would be one page.
 
Well @ the moment I am looking @ about 6 trillion more in debt... I anticipate a gold mine for the rich & the shaft for the rest of us....
lol..double the standard deduction,and eliminate many loopholes,and reduce the brackets
and you'll put a lot of tax attorneys out of business
 
One of the tax breaks in the administration's crosshairs would also target DEMOCRATS.

senior White House official signaled that a popular deduction for taxes paid to state and local governments will be eliminated. Doing so would hit DEMOCRAT voters hardest, according to IRS data.

The provision at risk is a long-standing rule that lets you deduct from your reported income the money you pay in state and local taxes on income, real estate or sales of big-ticket items.




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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/27/this-is-how-the-gop-may-pay-for-its-tax-plan-and-it-could-hit-democrats-hardest.html
 
lol..double the standard deduction,and eliminate many loopholes,and reduce the brackets
and you'll put a lot of tax attorneys out of business

the tax attorneys will probably still have its rich clients.

My prediction is it would hurt turbotax the most. People who need to find the deductions but cant afford to hire the tax attorney as they will be put in the get standardized deduction bracket.
 
the tax attorneys will probably still have its rich clients.

My prediction is it would hurt turbotax the most. People who need to find the deductions but cant afford to hire the tax attorney as they will be put in the get standardized deduction bracket.
rich will prolly hire attys. but they will have a lot less loopholes to use
 
Well @ the moment I am looking @ about 6 trillion more in debt... I anticipate a gold mine for the rich & the shaft for the rest of us....
when exactly did an Obama supporter start worrying about debt?

And a note to all liberals , stay out of this argument on Trumps tax plan, it is a huge tax break for middle class Americans, you are not going to win this one
 
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