FBI wire tapped Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort:

domer76 said:
Not unless he was talking to Manafort, who they WERE listening to.

See how that works?
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What makes you believe that you know the extent of who was tapped or who the conversations were with. The FACT is that Trump spoke to his campaign manager multiple times per day, thus Trump was tapped. Got that kid
 
floridafan said:
Do you think the crook who held the office of Secretary of State should have been wire taped when she helped the Russians secure 20% of America's uranium

How many times will you continue to repeat and propagate this obvious lie?
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why would we need wire taps.....we have a paper trail.....
 
noise said:
Trump was the only candidate who wasn't a neo-con (except sanders) and wanted to improve US/Russian relations.
So the Deep State was very interested in foiling that Reset ,
and wanted to collect anything they could even as a candidate
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Even if we assumed that to be true, that does not negate the facts now does it.. Crooked Jr, etc are certainly worth looking into given the man & the family & their "values" or rather in this case, lack thereof...
 
Bill said:
So the deep state was on the game back then before they even existed..??

THey were out to stop the guy no one thought had a chance in hell of beating clinton?? :rofl2:

Paranoid much?? That is quite a long walk down the road of "make believe" if you ask me...........

In the real world dirty crooks like this get bugged because they are dirty crooks, it goes w/ the territory........
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Correct. Foreign operatives purposely lying on security clearance documents in the hopes of avoiding scrutiny.
 
Darth Omar said:
Trump has made some good hires, but Sessions isn't one of them. He's either incompetent, lazy, plays for the Deep State or some combination thereof.

Comey lied to congress. Go after him already. I'd fire him anyway, screw the politics.
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I would think he has mixed, or rather dual loyalties...

I bet if he was properly vetted, trumpf style, he would confess.......:mad:
 
Bill said:
Even if we assumed that to be true, that does not negate the facts now does it.. Crooked Jr, etc are certainly worth looking into given the man & the family & their "values" or rather in this case, lack thereof...
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Obama must have thought so. Or do you think the warrant was issued without his knowledge and approval?

Will you be OK with it if Trump orders a wiretap on his challenger's campaign in 2020?
 
Bill said:
Even if we assumed that to be true, that does not negate the facts now does it.. Crooked Jr, etc are certainly worth looking into given the man & the family & their "values" or rather in this case, lack thereof...
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Bill . If you want to do that, then get a warrant for probable cause to tap Trump.
Especially since Clapper said there was no FISA warrant against "Trump or his campaign"

I mean "incidental collection " is a hard one to swallow, but lying about it on top of it is Deep State arrogance
 
noise said:
Bill . If you want to do that, then get a warrant for probable cause to tap Trump.
Especially since Clapper said there was no FISA warrant against "Trump or his campaign"

I mean "incidental collection " is a hard one to swallow, but lying about it on top of it is Deep State arrogance
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These posts we are making right now are collected, every phone call we make, every email we send......... They should be exceptions cause they don't wanna get called or busted on their crimes???
 
Bill said:
These posts we are making right now are collected, every phone call we make, every email we send......... They should be exceptions cause they don't wanna get called or busted on their crimes???
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they are collected but not listened to ( at least that's the classified story)..
The metadada is ( identification ) listed and then a FISA warrant is issued which allows the Deep State
( to listen to the actual words previously recorded and given a metadata ID

I agree with Rand Paul that is still a violation of the 4th ( general warrant)- but Congress allows it..
..anyways ..not to get sidetracked here.

This was a FISA warrant to begin with - metadata wasn't identified and then played back -
it was real time surveillance . And clearly Clapper lied abut it..Comey too IMHO
 
noise said:
Bill . If you want to do that, then get a warrant for probable cause to tap Trump.
Especially since Clapper said there was no FISA warrant against "Trump or his campaign"

I mean "incidental collection " is a hard one to swallow, but lying about it on top of it is Deep State arrogance
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Clapper's actual words:

"But I will say that, for the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI, there was no such wiretap activity mounted against– the president elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign. I can’t speak for other Title Three authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity."
 
Lovebug said:
What happened when he talked to Trump? Did they turn off the tap?
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"...even if those conversations between Trump and Manafort were picked up in the surveillance, they would be eliminated unless the conversation had to do with Manafort's ties to Russian officials. This is a process called "minimization" which is described in the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 this way:

"Information acquired from an electronic surveillance conducted pursuant to this subchapter concerning any United States person may be used and disclosed by Federal officers and employees without the consent of the United States person only in accordance with the minimization procedures required by this subchapter. No otherwise privileged communication obtained in accordance with, or in violation of, the provisions of this subchapter shall lose its privileged character. No information acquired from an electronic surveillance pursuant to this subchapter may be used or disclosed by Federal officers or employees except for lawful purposes."
 
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