Why is VA trying to take down a General Lee statue to begin with?

Alice in Liberaland said:
Really? You mean someone who was a slave trader is OK with you?

Someone who made their fortune bringing those poor negroes from Africa and putting them into bondage is OK with you?

It isn't a straw man at all. You claim to be bothered by General Lee because he supposedly defended slavery yet you have no problem with someone who profited from it?

You have no problem with Woodrow Wilson, Robert Byrd.

Calling it a straw man doesn't erase your hypocrisy. It merely highlights it.
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Who said I didn't have a problem w/ Wilson & Byrd?

You're grasping at straws. Lee has transcended history somewhat in that he is a symbol - he was one of the most prominent figures in the fight to keep slavery, one of our greatest evils, in business.

Let's take the reverse angle: why is it so important to keep his statue public? Why would people fight to support that?
 
Historically, Lee was a fairly complicated character and I somehow suspect many of the monument protestors aren't all that familiar with it.

If it wasn't for Lee, the Civil War could have devolved into guerrilla warfare and dragged on for decades longer---or we could still be fighting it. Let that thought sink in.

So making Robert E. Lee=slavery is pretty simplistic. Dumb, even.
 
Darth Omar said:
Historically, Lee was a fairly complicated character and I somehow suspect many of the monument protestors aren't all that familiar with it.

If it wasn't for Lee, the Civil War could have devolved into guerrilla warfare and dragged on for decades longer---or we could still be fighting it. Let that thought sink in.

So making Robert E. Lee=slavery is pretty simplistic. Dumb, even.
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No, it isn't. Because symbolically, that's 100% fact. And that's all that matters in terms of what his statue represents.
 
Thing1 said:
Who said I didn't have a problem w/ Wilson & Byrd?

You're grasping at straws. Lee has transcended history somewhat in that he is a symbol - he was one of the most prominent figures in the fight to keep slavery, one of our greatest evils, in business.

Let's take the reverse angle: why is it so important to keep his statue public? Why would people fight to support that?
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Because I want to know what the end game is. Why now? Why is it so important now? Why not 10 years ago? What is the urgency? How is anyone's life going to be improved.

I understand your struggle with these questions. This is a new crusade for you Damo and 3D so you don't have the talking points down yet. I forgive you
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
Because I want to know what the end game is. Why now? Why is it so important now? Why not 10 years ago? What is the urgency? How is anyone's life going to be improved.

I understand your struggle with these questions. This is a new crusade for you Damo and 3D so you don't have the talking points down yet. I forgive you
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It's not a struggle. Frankly, I don't know why his statue was still standing.

I don't even put the desire to rid the south of prominent confederate symbols as a "PC" thing. Please. Slavery was a great evil, and the confederate army fought hard to preserve it. And beyond that, they LOST. There shouldn't be a statue of a prominent confederate general anywhere, and spare me the "historical value" argument.

He fought for an evil cause & lost. See ya.
 
Darth Omar said:
And after reading the history you wonder what the frick people were thinking when they tore his statue down?
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I don't.

This is an extreme example, but for awhile, Hitler was GREAT for the German economy.

Lee may have done some other noteworthy things, but he was the GENERAL WHO LED THE FIGHT TO PRESERVE SLAVERY. Rightfully, that is what his statue represents to a lot of people.

Sorry 'bout that.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't.

This is an extreme example, but for awhile, Hitler was GREAT for the German economy.

Lee may have done some other noteworthy things, but he was the GENERAL WHO LED THE FIGHT TO PRESERVE SLAVERY. Rightfully, that is what his statue represents to a lot of people.

Sorry 'bout that.
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And that's all they know about him.

Nice to be on the dumbing-down side of the equation, huh?
 
Darth Omar said:
And that's all they know about him.

Nice to be on the dumbing-down side of the equation, huh?
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Nah - you're ignoring what I said, because you think you have this amazing point.

Fighting - hard - to preserve slavery basically eclipses anything else he might have done in his life. That's just the way it is. If you can't see that, please don't talk to me about who is dumbed-down.
 
Thing1 said:
Nah - you're ignoring what I said, because you think you have this amazing point.

Fighting - hard - to preserve slavery basically eclipses anything else he might have done in his life. That's just the way it is. If you can't see that, please don't talk to me about who is dumbed-down.
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He also fought hard to keep the country together after the war. That's an important *historical* point that gets lost in simplisticly equating Lee with slavery.

You're on the side of dumb. Sorry 'bout that.
 
Darth Omar said:
He also fought hard to keep the country together after the war. That's an important *historical* point that gets lost in simplisticly equating Lee with slavery.

You're on the side of dumb. Sorry 'bout that.
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Like I said - fighting to preserve slavery eclipses everything else.

What you're saying is totally ignorant. You are tone deaf to the concerns of American citizens whose ancestors endured slavery. I'm embarrassed for you.
 
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