As democrats plan for 2018 and beyond, they would be wise to keep Sanders at distance

noise said:
Clinton and Trump both had very high negatives -do you think Bernies would have been higher?
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Bernie had enthusiasm (turnout),,Clinton was the worst possible candidate
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Bernie's campaign would have been toasted and he would now be traveling in the land of political has-been's with Ron Paul.

Seriously, how many Hispanics do you think would be running to his side when they found out about his plan to dump nuclear waste on poor Hispanics?

How many women chastising Trump about grabbing pussy would be standing next to Sanders when they found out about his essay on gang-rape .. and the notion that the rape of a 12 year-old is somehow 'exciting?'

Surely you can separate noise from reality .. no pun intended.
 
noise said:
Putin plays off Russian nationalism. you sound like interventionism in other countries politics is a good idea.
I have yet to see where that works. it sure did not in Syria where we organized opposition to Assad.

all this does is cost both Russian and European business ties - it drives Putin more into a Eurasian partnership w/Chiina
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History demonstrates that the Russia/China relationship is frayed at best. The Chinese don't trust him either.

Again, I ask .. what do you think should have been done .. nothing?
 
blackascoal said:
History demonstrates that the Russia/China relationship is frayed at best. The Chinese don't trust him either.

Again, I ask .. what do you think should have been done .. nothing?
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you are missing what has already been happening:
this from last year
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...ith-new-economic-financing-accords-1431099095
Russia and China signed economic deals and a financing agreement for up to $25 billion for Russian companies from Chinese banks, as Moscow looks to seal closer ties with its southeastern neighbor given its standoff with the West.

President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping oversaw the signing of an agreement here allowing domestic companies to raise funding from Chinese banks against guarantees
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I already told you sanctions were put on by Obama for the election interference- I see no reason for more
 
Strategic ties between Russia and China were appraised in glowing terms as Chinese President Xi Jinping wrapped up a two-day state visit to Russia, concluding with at least $10 billion in agreements.

Xi, who met with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the trip, told Russian media that relations between the two countries were currently at their "best time in history." The Chinese president also said Russia and China were each other's "most trustworthy strategic partners," Xinhua reported.
One impetus for the ramp up in diplomatic cooperation could be developments in U.S. foreign policy.

"The fact that the U.S. seems far less systematic in its foreign policy than in the past creates space for China and Russia to make the best of the situation," Chong told CNBC.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/04/chin...after-xi-jinping-and-vladimir-putin-meet.html
 
noise said:
you are missing what has already been happening:
this from last year
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...ith-new-economic-financing-accords-1431099095
Russia and China signed economic deals and a financing agreement for up to $25 billion for Russian companies from Chinese banks, as Moscow looks to seal closer ties with its southeastern neighbor given its standoff with the West.

President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping oversaw the signing of an agreement here allowing domestic companies to raise funding from Chinese banks against guarantees
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I already told you sanctions were put on by Obama for the election interference- I see no reason for more
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I'm not missing it at all brother .. I'm studying it and the history that surrounds it.

Why the China/Russia Rapprochement Won’t Last
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/china-russia-rapprochement_b_6133480.html

Today Russia finds itself in the junior role in relationship with China, where historically they've always sat in the senior role.

It's a relationship based on energy .. which was going to happen anyway, and fear of the US.

China has its own way of doing things and does not share the Russian penchant for war and aggression.

Besides, we have an absolute clown as president, and new alliances and partnerships are forming all over the world.
 
blackascoal said:
Bernie's campaign would have been toasted and he would now be traveling in the land of political has-been's with Ron Paul.

Seriously, how many Hispanics do you think would be running to his side when they found out about his plan to dump nuclear waste on poor Hispanics?

How many women chastising Trump about grabbing pussy would be standing next to Sanders when they found out about his essay on gang-rape .. and the notion that the rape of a 12 year-old is somehow 'exciting?'

Surely you can separate noise from reality .. no pun intended.
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Look what Bill Clinton's crime bill did to the black community and Hillary was a supporter yet she still garnered strong support in the black community. No politician is close to perfect so if Sanders' essay from 40 years ago is worthy of de-qualification...
 
cawacko said:
Look what Bill Clinton's crime bill did to the black community and Hillary was a supporter yet she still garnered strong support in the black community. No politician is close to perfect so if Sanders' essay from 40 years ago is worthy of de-qualification...
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Hillary Clinton got tepid support from the black community .. one reason why she didn't win. She could never live down her husband.

The antiwar community has never forgiven her for her Iraq vote .. another reason why she didn't win. She could never live down herself.

I repeat .. it wasn't just Sanders essay that would have done him in.

.. and, it wasn't just voting why Hillary Clinton lost .. nor was it because of Blacks, Hispanics, and the antiwar crowd.
 
blackascoal said:
I'm not missing it at all brother .. I'm studying it and the history that surrounds it.

Why the China/Russia Rapprochement Won’t Last
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/china-russia-rapprochement_b_6133480.html

Today Russia finds itself in the junior role in relationship with China, where historically they've always sat in the senior role.

It's a relationship based on energy .. which was going to happen anyway, and fear of the US.

China has its own way of doing things and does not share the Russian penchant for war and aggression.

Besides, we have an absolute clown as president, and new alliances and partnerships are forming all over the world.
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crazy article Its saying gas/energy is making an alliance of convenience

it's all blather about China and not being in some grand alliance to counter the USA-a strawman

It doesn't dispute the fact that Russia and China;s alliance is built on practical needs. which is my point that w are driving them
into this alliance, it doesn't even mention sanctions -how old is that? no date on it,

it mentions Chinese drones are superior, but dismissed Russian field weapons,,it's whistling in the dark that what is already happening shouldn't last,
we keep insuring it does though with our constant muti-pronged attack on Russia
 
noise said:
crazy article Its saying gas/energy is making an alliance of convenience

it's all blather about China and not being in some grand alliance to counter the USA-a strawman

It doesn't dispute the fact that Russia and China;s alliance is built on practical needs. which is my point that w are driving them
into this alliance, it doesn't even mention sanctions -how old is that? no date on it,

it mentions Chinese drones are superior, but dismissed Russian field weapons,,it's whistling in the dark that what is already happening shouldn't last,
we keep insuring it does though with our constant muti-pronged attack on Russia
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:0) Anatta hasn't been around here all day.

You wouldn't be him, would you?
 
noise said:
they need something else. Warren is old news. Harries is getting the big money. do dems still want big money politics?
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big money is part of the system


pretending its not is stupid and pusshes it all to the right.



wealthyn people can be left leaning


stop alienating them simply because they have resourches to share


Bernie USED the russian fake news about Hilary instead if tellingn his people it was lies


bernie sold his soul to try and gain power.


HES DONE
 
evince said:
big money is part of the system


pretending its not is stupid and pusshes it all to the right.



wealthyn people can be left leaning


stop alienating them simply because they have resourches to share


Bernie USED the russian fake news about Hilary instead if tellingn his people it was lies


bernie sold his soul to try and gain power.


HES DONE
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not sure what you mean, but Bernies small donors also translated into enthusiastic voters.
they would have turned out, while Clinton's did not
 
bernie didnt even make sure his people were registered to vote.

the Russians targeted the bernie people

IT IS FACT

they targeted bernie voters with fake news.


If youn recall there was this weird thing about bernie people being more in line with trumpy voters on certain things than they were with hilary


THIS IS WHY


Bernie new the shit was lies


he let his voters believe the lies for his own benifit
 
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/31/fak...ers-supporters-to-spread-conspiracy-theories/
Friday, Mar 31, 2017 02:48 PM PDT
Fake news websites targeted Trump, Bernie Sanders supporters to spread conspiracy theories
It turns out that Bernie Bros and Trump supporters have something in common: Russian trolls


As a certified Twitter addict who is also fond of conspiracy theories, President Donald Trump has become an easy target for foreign intelligence agencies looking to peddle falsehoods to him, a former FBI agent told the Senate intelligence committee on Thursday.

Clint Watts, a senior fellow at Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University, told committee members that during the 2016 presidential campaign season, Trump routinely recycled conspiracy theories which were promoted by spurious news websites which are openly operated by the Russian government.
According to Watts, both Trump and the websites feed off of each other to promote false beliefs through a system of propaganda which was called “active measures” by the former Soviet Union. Russian President Vladimir Putin worked as a spy for the communist dictatorship’s KGB intelligence service.
Trump has “made claims of voter fraud, that President Obama’s not a citizen and, you know, Congressman [Ted] Cruz is not a citizen,” Watts told committee members. “Part of the reason active measures works, and it does today in terms of Trump Tower being wiretapped, is because they parrot the same lines.”
Such theories have been around long before social media but the popularity of social media has made their propagation much easier. Conservative Americans, who have long hated and distrusted the mainstream press, are particularly vulnerable to misinformation.
 
Russia has been utilizing active measures propaganda since 2009 and has continuously increased its capabilities since then, Watts testified.
Liberal Americans may also have been targeted for fake news during the last election. Earlier this month, the Huffington Post released a report based on interviews with many former supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders who told the website that Facebook groups they were operating last year were targeted by fake accounts promoting websites that were registered in other countries such as Macedonia.
Oftentimes, the material recycled old, discredited conspiracy theories about former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, claiming she was involved with various murders and money laundering schemes.
While some fake news websites, such as Sputnik News, are indeed owned and operated by the Russian government, many of them are purely for-profit endeavors targeted toward tricking the gullible.
 
evince said:
bernie didnt even make sure his people were registered to vote.

the Russians targeted the bernie people

IT IS FACT

they targeted bernie voters with fake news.


If youn recall there was this weird thing about bernie people being more in line with trumpy voters on certain things than they were with hilary


THIS IS WHY


Bernie new the shit was lies


he let his voters believe the lies for his own benifit
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THAT is very true .. but even worse .. they fell for it.
 
hilaryn won more votes even in my party of the Dems


Hilary was a great candidate


we got cheated yet again by the criminal republican party

they ever stooped to using a foreign dictators help

the republicans all know this is true


they are run by sociopaths
 
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