Stop subsiding green energy, it's hurting 'Murical'.

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Oil, gas, and coal industries get a shocking amount of funding from the US government, a new report shows.

Oh forgive me, bullshit detector was on too high.
I meant subsidizing dinosaur energy, it's hurting our nation.

Stupid facts.

A new report shows that the US government provided about $6 billion annually in financial support to the oil, gas, and coal industries between 2013 and 2015. That's over four times the amount that went to clean energy, which received $1.3 billion.
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Huh, which small 'guvment' you for folks?

Because, THAT ain't small.
 
Sorry but any report compiled by this lot is tainted.

"The report, released July 5, is the product of research conducted by Oil Change International, Friends of the Earth, the Sierra Club, and the World Wildlife Fund's European Policy Officce. Their goal was to parse out the amount of public financing - defined as grants, equity, loans, guarantees, and insurance from m ajority government-owned financial institutions- that various G20 countries have given to domestic and international energy production."

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10's of thousand of birds and bats whacked every year by wind farms and cooked in mid-air by solar farms #ecosystemsmatter (ok, a bit sarcastic with the #). The transportation dept estimates that the average adult drives a little over 13.4K miles per year. Taking the co2 emissions by gas engines compared to to the co2 emmissions it takes to manufacture a single electric car battery it would take 2.7 years driving to equal the co2 production of a single Nissan Leaf sized battery and 8.2 years for a Tesla sized battery.

Solar panels? You can find recent articles about 10's of thousand tons of dead (best estimate for even newer panel's life time is 25 years) panels being sent to 3rd world countries for "recycling" where they are basically melted down in open air to recover the copper creating toxic fumes, that's just from Europe, we here in America are trying to find a way to deal with it akin to storing nuclear waste.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of clean energy (and maybe in the future free, all conspiracy theories aside) but I think we should stop the funding of clean energy production and focus on clean energy research. Seriously, you want to virtue signal about your electric vehicle, how do you think that electricity was generated.
 
Pappy Jones said:
10's of thousand of birds and bats whacked every year by wind farms and cooked in mid-air by solar farms #ecosystemsmatter (ok, a bit sarcastic with the #). The transportation dept estimates that the average adult drives a little over 13.4K miles per year. Taking the co2 emissions by gas engines compared to to the co2 emmissions it takes to manufacture a single electric car battery it would take 2.7 years driving to equal the co2 production of a single Nissan Leaf sized battery and 8.2 years for a Tesla sized battery.

Solar panels? You can find recent articles about 10's of thousand tons of dead (best estimate for even newer panel's life time is 25 years) panels being sent to 3rd world countries for "recycling" where they are basically melted down in open air to recover the copper creating toxic fumes, that's just from Europe, we here in America are trying to find a way to deal with it akin to storing nuclear waste.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of clean energy (and maybe in the future free, all conspiracy theories aside) but I think we should stop the funding of clean energy production and focus on clean energy research. Seriously, you want to virtue signal about your electric vehicle, how do you think that electricity was generated.
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The voice of common sense.

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Pappy Jones said:
10's of thousand of birds and bats whacked every year by wind farms and cooked in mid-air by solar farms #ecosystemsmatter (ok, a bit sarcastic with the #). The transportation dept estimates that the average adult drives a little over 13.4K miles per year. Taking the co2 emissions by gas engines compared to to the co2 emmissions it takes to manufacture a single electric car battery it would take 2.7 years driving to equal the co2 production of a single Nissan Leaf sized battery and 8.2 years for a Tesla sized battery.

Solar panels? You can find recent articles about 10's of thousand tons of dead (best estimate for even newer panel's life time is 25 years) panels being sent to 3rd world countries for "recycling" where they are basically melted down in open air to recover the copper creating toxic fumes, that's just from Europe, we here in America are trying to find a way to deal with it akin to storing nuclear waste.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of clean energy (and maybe in the future free, all conspiracy theories aside) but I think we should stop the funding of clean energy production and focus on clean energy research. Seriously, you want to virtue signal about your electric vehicle, how do you think that electricity was generated.
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Link up.
Prove your claims.
 
Pappy Jones said:
10's of thousand of birds and bats whacked every year by wind farms and cooked in mid-air by solar farms #ecosystemsmatter (ok, a bit sarcastic with the #). The transportation dept estimates that the average adult drives a little over 13.4K miles per year. Taking the co2 emissions by gas engines compared to to the co2 emmissions it takes to manufacture a single electric car battery it would take 2.7 years driving to equal the co2 production of a single Nissan Leaf sized battery and 8.2 years for a Tesla sized battery.

Solar panels? You can find recent articles about 10's of thousand tons of dead (best estimate for even newer panel's life time is 25 years) panels being sent to 3rd world countries for "recycling" where they are basically melted down in open air to recover the copper creating toxic fumes, that's just from Europe, we here in America are trying to find a way to deal with it akin to storing nuclear waste.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of clean energy (and maybe in the future free, all conspiracy theories aside) but I think we should stop the funding of clean energy production and focus on clean energy research. Seriously, you want to virtue signal about your electric vehicle, how do you think that electricity was generated.
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Remember when no one developed hydro because it was wiping out salmon runs?

Me neither...
 
Pappy Jones said:
10's of thousand of birds and bats whacked every year by wind farms and cooked in mid-air by solar farms #ecosystemsmatter (ok, a bit sarcastic with the #). The transportation dept estimates that the average adult drives a little over 13.4K miles per year. Taking the co2 emissions by gas engines compared to to the co2 emmissions it takes to manufacture a single electric car battery it would take 2.7 years driving to equal the co2 production of a single Nissan Leaf sized battery and 8.2 years for a Tesla sized battery.

Solar panels? You can find recent articles about 10's of thousand tons of dead (best estimate for even newer panel's life time is 25 years) panels being sent to 3rd world countries for "recycling" where they are basically melted down in open air to recover the copper creating toxic fumes, that's just from Europe, we here in America are trying to find a way to deal with it akin to storing nuclear waste.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of clean energy (and maybe in the future free, all conspiracy theories aside) but I think we should stop the funding of clean energy production and focus on clean energy research. Seriously, you want to virtue signal about your electric vehicle, how do you think that electricity was generated.
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And then there's deep horizon. BAHAHA
 
"According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA) and the University of Texas, from 2010 through 2013, federal renewable energy subsidies increased by 54%, from $8.6 billion to $13.2 billion, despite the fact that total federal energy subsidies declined by 23%, from $38 billion to $29 billion.

Subsidies then decreased dramatically from 2013 to 2016, because:

• tax incentives expired for biofuels,

• the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) stimulus funds were used up,

• energy assistance funds decreased,

• there was a 15% decrease in fossil fuel subsidies from $4.0 billion to $3.4 billion, and

• a 12% decrease in nuclear subsidies from $1.9 billion to $1.7 billion.

But the subsidies for nuclear and fossil fuels are indirect subsidies like decommissioning and insurance assistance, leasing of federal lands, and other externalities, unlike the subsidies for renewables which are directly for the production of electricity and directly affect cost and pricing."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...make-renewable-energy-so-costly/#538cc2c128ce

GE didn't even have to pay taxes because of Green robber baron subsidies :palm:
 
ROFL at all you Big Oil and Gas shills for defending the outlandish subsidies the government gives to Big Oil & Gas!

FOUR TIMES as much as renewables get.
 
Rune said:
Link up.
Prove your claims.
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Ok lazy pants, took less time to google than it did to copy/paste. There are so many articles about this shit I can't believe you don't already know this, get out of your echo chamber.


http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/06...o2-emissions-from-batteries-of-electric-cars/

...The researchers have not studied individual car brand’s batteries, just how they were produced or what electrical mix they used. But to understand the importance of battery size here’s one example: Two standard electric cars on the market, Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model S, have batteries of approximately 30 kWh and 100 kWh respectively.

As soon as you buy the car, CO2 emissions of approximately 5.3 tonnes and 17.5 tonnes, respectively, have been released for batteries of these sizes. The numbers may be difficult to relate to. By way of comparison, a trip for a person returning from Stockholm to New York by air causes emissions of more than 600 kilograms of carbon dioxide, according to the UN organization ICAO’s calculation model.

...Mats-Ola Larsson, their colleague at IVL, has calculated how long you need to drive a petrol or diesel car before it has released as much carbon dioxide as an electric car battery. The result was 2.7 years for a battery of the same size as Nissan Leaf and 8.2 years for a battery of Tesla size, based on a series of assumptions.
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http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

In 2010 David Newstead, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service field biologist, visited the Gulf shoreline of Laguna Madre, Texas, to survey skimmers, terns, and egrets. But it was a flock of 15 American White Pelicans that caught his eye, flying toward the nearby Peñascal wind farm. As he watched, a pelican at the flock’s tail end was swiped by a massive turbine blade and “literally ‘erased’ from the air,” Newstead wrote afterwards. This in itself isn’t surprising—wind turbines are notorious bird killers—but this specific farm was supposedly equipped with radar that could detect approaching birds and halt the blades. The radar had failed to do its job.


Wind turbines kill an estimated 140,000 to 328,000 birds each year in North America, making it the most threatening form of green energy. And yet, it’s also one of the most rapidly expanding energy industries: more than 49,000 individual wind turbines now exist across 39 states.
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https://weather.com/science/news/solar-plants-birds-20140818 watch vid and read article.

At Ivanpah, the sun's ray's are redirected from a sea of more than 300,000 mirrors on the desert surface below to hit water filled boilers atop three 459-foot "power towers." Temperatures near the towers can climb to 800 degrees, which causes the water to produce steam that turns turbines which generate energy.

According to the Associated Press, up to 28,000 birds per year might be meeting an early death after burning up in the focused beams of sunlight, with birds dying at a rate of one bird every two minutes. The burned-up birds are being dubbed "streamers," after the poof of smoke produced by the igniting birds.
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http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...Waste-Sullies-Solars-Squeaky-Clean-Image.html

However, data from the California Department of Toxic Substances Control showed that of 41 solar panel manufacturers in the state (2013 numbers), only 17 reported waste. Those that did report, produced 46.5 million pounds of sludge and contaminated water from 2007 to 2011, according to The Financial Post. This includes 12.5 million pounds of hazardous waste from now-defunct Solyndra.

http://www.environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/6/21/are-we-headed-for-a-solar-waste-crisis

Solar panels create 300 times more toxic waste per unit of energy than do nuclear power plants.


If solar and nuclear produce the same amount of electricity over the next 25 years that nuclear produced in 2016, and the wastes are stacked on football fields, the nuclear waste would reach the height of the Leaning Tower of Pisa (52 meters), while the solar waste would reach the height of two Mt. Everests (16 km).


In countries like China, India, and Ghana, communities living near e-waste dumps often burn the waste in order to salvage the valuable copper wires for resale. Since this process requires burning off the plastic, the resulting smoke contains toxic fumes that are carcinogenic and teratogenic (birth defect-causing) when inhaled.
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ZappasGuitar said:
ROFL at all you Big Oil and Gas shills for defending the outlandish subsidies the government gives to Big Oil & Gas!

FOUR TIMES as much as renewables get.
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Who is going to believe a study produced by the likes of the Sierra Club, Greenpeace et al? Well apart from gullible people like you?

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Pappy Jones said:
Ok lazy pants, took less time to google than it did to copy/paste. There are so many articles about this shit I can't believe you don't already know this, get out of your echo chamber.
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Good research. In all fairness though the birds are just proving Darwins theory....
 
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