Renewable Energy Sets Record in USA

Alice in Liberaland said:
Wait, if you so called precious wind and solar can provide us with all the available energy we need, why would one's lifestyle have to change?

Isn't the presumption that all of these wonderful "alternatives" will completely REPLACE fossil fuels and be cheaper and our lifestyles won't have to change? Wasn't that the promise?
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Was it?
Where is that written?
 
Milagro said:
You truly are a lunatic, you ought to be thoroughly embarrassed by your ignorance but I doubt you will be. Yes all generators use magnetism to generate electricity but the large generating sets found in power stations use ELECTROMAGNETS not the permanent magnets found in wind turbines. Rare earths like neodymium are used to enhance the magnetic field strength of the wind turbine magnets.

"The large generators used in power stations use electromagnets instead of permanent magnets. Electricity is generated when the electromagnet rotates inside coils of wire. The more turns there are on the coils of the electromagnet, the greater the size of the voltage generated.'

Bullshit your way out of this one buddy!! Didn't you ever do physics or study electrical theory at college?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebi...lectricity_for_gadgets/generating/revision/3/









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Electro magnets are still magnets retard.
 
Rune said:
Electro magnets are still magnets retard.
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There is something seriously wrong with you, these are your words cockwomble! Rather than just shutting the fuck up and swallowing your pride, you carry on digging that hole deeper!!

"Why not be honest and state that to build any generator requires rare earth materials and steel, liar?"

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Milagro said:
There is something seriously wrong with you, these are your words cockwomble! Rather than just shutting the fuck up and swallowing your pride, you carry on digging that hole deeper!!

"Why not be honest and state that to build any generator requires rare earth materials and steel, liar?"

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If you want to talk about giant steam powered generators_(not moving goal posts or anything) why not tell us about the metals used in a giant steam turbine?
 
Rune said:
If you want to talk about giant steam powered generators_(not moving goal posts or anything) why not tell us about the metals used in a giant steam turbine?
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No I want to talk about why you are so stupid. You made the claim that all generators use rare earths for their magnets. I then pointed out to you that large generators in power stations don't have permanent magnets but use electromagnets instead. So of course you now want to move on and expunge that previous bullshit from the record.

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Milagro said:
No I want to talk about why you are so stupid. You made the claim that all generators use rare earths for their magnets. I then pointed out to you that large generators in power stations don't have permanent magnets but use electromagnets instead. So of course you now want to move on and expunge that previous bullshit from the record.

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Hey shit fer brain; electromagnets ARE permanent magnets.
 
Stretch said:
I love watching lefties preach about riding bikes instead of cars. Then there are electric cars. Bikes, cars, power plants, etc. are made with steel. And, steel is made of coal. Electricity uses coal. Back to square one for the left.

As far as oil? The earth is saturated with the stuff..........
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecl...ch-oil-does-the-world-have-left/#1d4fc3165b1f
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I would describe that as a "pointless point." Who cares what they are made of?

You do understand that actual consumption of those kinds of fuels completely dwarfs beyond recognition what is used on a material basis, correct? I mean, the above is honestly the lamest point I've ever seen made in this "debate."
 
Stretch said:
I love watching lefties preach about riding bikes instead of cars. Then there are electric cars. Bikes, cars, power plants, etc. are made with steel. And, steel is made of coal. Electricity uses coal. Back to square one for the left.

As far as oil? The earth is saturated with the stuff..........
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecl...ch-oil-does-the-world-have-left/#1d4fc3165b1f
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Steel is made of coal?
LMFAO.
An average piece of steel is .002 percent carbon.
A five pound bicycle frame has less than a teaspoon of carbon in it. And that is if it is new steel made from iron ore.
Most steel however is recycled, in fact steel is the most recycled thing on the planet.
To further illustrate the devastating stupidity of your post, some electricity is made from coal but that amount is diminishing quickly and is already less than 40%.
Furthermore if one owns an electric car one can produce one's own fuel by buying a solar panel.
Good luck trying to homebrew gasoline.

By the way, retard, I bet you didn't know that wood (charcoal) makes even better steel than coal?
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
 
Rune said:
Steel is made of coal?
LMFAO.
An average piece of steel is .002 percent carbon.
A five pound bicycle frame has less than a teaspoon of carbon in it. And that is if it is new steel made from iron ore.
Most steel however is recycled, in fact steel is the most recycled thing on the planet.
To further illustrate the devastating stupidity of your post, some electricity is made from coal but that amount is diminishing quickly and is already less than 40%.
Furthermore if one owns an electric car one can produce one's own fuel by buying a solar panel.
Good luck trying to homebrew gasoline.

By the way, retard, I bet you didn't know that wood (charcoal) makes even better steel than coal?
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
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Why are you always such a lying cunt?

Coal & Steel

Global steel production is dependent on coal. 70% of the steel produced today uses coal. Metallurgical coal – or coking coal – is a vital ingredient in the steel making process. World crude steel production was 1.4 billion tonnes in 2010. Around 721 million tonnes of coking coal was used in the production of steel.

721 million tons of coal per 1,400 million tons of steel. Let’s just say 1 ton of coal per ton of steel.

1 MW of wind turbine capacity requires 230 tons of coal for the steel.

https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/how-much-coal-goes-into-a-wind-turbine/
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Milagro said:
Holy fuck you just keep on digging that fucking hole, don't you!!

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Seriously, shit fer brains, most electromagnets are coils wrapped around permanent magnets.
Didn't you study anything in college besides female anatomy?
 
Milagro said:
Why are you always such a lying cunt?

Coal & Steel

Global steel production is dependent on coal. 70% of the steel produced today uses coal. Metallurgical coal – or coking coal – is a vital ingredient in the steel making process. World crude steel production was 1.4 billion tonnes in 2010. Around 721 million tonnes of coking coal was used in the production of steel.

721 million tons of coal per 1,400 million tons of steel. Let’s just say 1 ton of coal per ton of steel.

1 MW of wind turbine capacity requires 230 tons of coal for the steel.

https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/how-much-coal-goes-into-a-wind-turbine/
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Lets not since your own report says .5 ton of coal per ton of steel.
Next lets look at the context, India, China and other semi-developed countries being the main users of the 1850s era blast furnace design, while the modern world uses the so called mini-mill or electric furnace which use only enough coal to balance the carbon content at .02 percent, barely a trace amount.
I am not saying you are lying but you sure are ignorant.

Lastly and most importantly,
Virtually everything uses steel in its construction.
If nothing else the the result is that fossil fuels, including gas ( natural) coal and oil MUST be used for manufacturing feedstocks.
Someday children will ask, in bewilderment,
Why did we burn the oil and coal?

Of course the truly hypocritical aspect of this jarringly insipid argument is that every form of power generation be it nuclear, coal fired or whatever requires vast amounts of steel for it's construction, nevermind concrete.
 
Sailor said:
Fenderhead, I have forgotten more about this subject than you or other wannabe's will ever know. Now that you back to "laws" again, this time science ( you keep grasping at straws there, just proves to me you do not know shit about this or anything energy related) where is your proof that any of these defy the laws of physics or thermodynamics? You seem to avoiding that like the plague. Do yourself a favor before making yourself look even more stupid and take the time to look up the worlds largest solar thermal plants. Then come on back.
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I posted this in another thread. When you tell me how you turn diffuse energy such as wind and solar into high density energy equivalent to oil, natural gas and coal give me a call because I want to be there when you receive your novel prize

Alice in Liberaland said:
It just dawned on me that I am dealing with scientific morons so I am going to try to dumb this down as much as possible in the hopes that the scientifically illiterate will understand.

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium.

What does this mean in English? It means that energy ALWAYS flows from a more concentrated state to a less concentrated state.

Read this again. Then read it again. Then read it again.

Because if you fail to understand this salient point then it is pointless to move on.

Now that you understand the Second Law of Thermodynamics you need to understand that "fossil fuels" are highly concentrated forms of energy. Things like wind and solar are diffuse (not highly concentrated) forms of energy. There is potentially lots of it, but they are not highly concentrated.

This means that oil, natural gas and coal will ALWAYS be more efficient than wind and solar because on a per molecule basis they just have more stored energy. The answer lies in their chemical bonds and nothing else.

Now those who claim that technology will solve the problem are speaking out of ignorance because there will never be a way to take the low concentrated rays of the sun and turn them into highly concentrated forms of energy without using more energy. To do so would violate the second law of thermodynamics. You can't go from a low concentration to a high concentration. It is impossible. Period. End of story.

Now I am not sure if I can explain the second law of thermodynamics any clearer than I have right here. The lesson is free. What you do with it is up to you.


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I Love America said:
I posted this in another thread. When you tell me how you turn diffuse energy such as wind and solar into high density energy equivalent to oil, natural gas and coal give me a call because I want to be there when you receive your novel prize
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Yes you did. It was as wrong there as it is here. No need to make yourself look doubly stupid. You managed to do it though.
 
Sailor said:
Yes you did. It was as wrong there as it is here. No need to make yourself look doubly stupid. You managed to do it though.
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Just saying I am wrong isn't enough. Explain why I am wrong. Explain why the 2nd law of thermodynamics doesn't apply?

Sure you can make water flow uphill but it takes work. It is more EFFICIENT for water to flow downhill

I have gone out of my way to explain why I am right. If you can't do better than "you are wrong" then I can only assume that you can't explain and pride has gotten in the way. In that event I humbly accept your concession.
 
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