"Australia has better Healthcare than us."

Jarod

Jarod

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So, why don't we study their system and see how their Universal Coverage single payer system works and what parts of it we could incorporate into our system so we could change to be more like them. Heck if its better what do we have to lose?
 
Of course, Australia has free single payor healthcare. But Trump just didn't say that. If I remember correctly, he said every country has better healthcare than us.
 
Jarod said:
So, why don't we study their system and see how their Universal Coverage single payer system works and what parts of it we could incorporate into our system so we could change to be more like them. Heck if its better what do we have to lose?
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Then feel free to move to Australia, and take 12 million Mexicans with you when you go
 
Jarod, care to share with us the drugs and life saving discoveries that come from America vs Australia?
 
Jarod said:
So, why don't we study their system and see how their Universal Coverage single payer system works and what parts of it we could incorporate into our system so we could change to be more like them. Heck if its better what do we have to lose?
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Because they don't have better "health care"
 


Published: May 4, 2017 11:38 p.m. ET






Hours after Obamacare repeal approved, Trump touts diametrically opposite system



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President Donald Trump and Australia's Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull met Thursday aboard the USS Intrepid museum in New York. By
MikeMurphy

Editor




Hours after celebrating the House vote to repeal and replace Obamacare, President Donald Trump praised Australia’s universal health-care system as superior to America’s.
‘You have better health care than we do.’ President Donald Trump, to Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull
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“It’s going to be fantastic health care,” Trump said of the American Health Care Act during a press conference in New York on Thursday night with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull. “I shouldn’t say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do.”
Australia has universal health care, where the government pays for all citizens to have access to doctors and public hospitals for free.
Sen. Bernie Sanders immediately pounced. “Thank you Mr. Trump for admitting that universal health care is the better way to go,” Sanders tweeted late Thursday. “I’ll be sure to quote you on the floor of the Senate.”

Bernie Sanders ✔ @SenSanders

Thank you Mr. Trump for admitting that universal health care is the better way to go. I'll be sure to quote you on the floor of the Senate.
https://twitter.com/x/status/860299912214446082

 
BTW, Australia strongly encourages you also purchase private insurance. The U.K. is now forcing fat people and smokers to have longer wait times for services. Public healthcare is requires nothing less than turning yourself into a work zombie to pay for it, and then become willing to live with sub standard care.
 
cawacko said:
Jarod, care to share with us the drugs and life saving discoveries that come from America vs Australia?
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Can't speak for Australia but off the top of my head, we gave the world penicillin which saved millions of lives in WWII. Oh and these Australian teens recreated Daraprim in their school laboratory.

"The Sydney Grammar boys, all 17, synthesised the active ingredient, pyrimethamine, in their school science laboratory.

"It wasn't terribly hard but that's really the point, I think, because we're high school students," one boy, Charles Jameson, told the BBC.

The students produced 3.7 grams of pyrimethamine for $20. In the US, the same quantity would cost up to $110,000.

In most countries, including Australia and Britain, the drug retails for less than $1.50 per pill."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-38153254
 
Cadillac Man said:
Of course, Australia has free single payor healthcare. But Trump just didn't say that. If I remember correctly, he said every country has better healthcare than us.
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Thursday we did five total joint replacements. Patients were satisfied with their care and things were good. But when I got home I was totally spent. So myself and some others are interested in how the 'free' part works.

Because I can tell you we won't do it for free.
 
Darth Omar said:
Thursday we did five total joint replacements. Patients were satisfied with their care and things were good. But when I got home I was totally spent. So myself and some others are interested in how the 'free' part works.

Because I can tell you we won't do it for free.
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Do you think doctors and nurses work for free in the NHS?

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Darth Omar said:
No, but I get the idea they don't work like we do.

Do workers in the 'free systems' have the same incentive to produce?
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They have targets, if that's what you mean? In fact there is a lot of criticism and debate about the target driven culture.

There is also a lot of misunderstanding in the US about what free actually means. The NHS is free at the point of use, but it is funded by National Insurance as indeed is the State Pension and Unemployment Benefit. This means that there will be no talking to insurance companies, copays, long discussions about existing conditions or what type of coverage you are entitled to, because you're entitled to everything including abortion, cancer treatment, maternity, in the lot. The NHS also gets criticism for doing too much like gender realignment, fertility treatment and bariatric/cosmetic surgery.

http://www.scottishconservatives.com/2015/08/ruth-time-to-review-nhs-target-culture/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/10078062/why-do-we-pay-national-insurance
 
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Milagro said:
They have targets, if that's what you mean? In fact there is a lot of criticism and debate about the target driven culture.

There is also a lot of misunderstanding in the US about what free actually means. The NHS is free at the point of use, but it is funded by National Insurance as indeed is the State Pension and Unemployment Benefit. This means that there will be no talking to insurance companies, copays, long discussions about existing conditions or what type of coverage you are entitled to, because you're entitled to everything including abortion, cancer treatment, maternity, in the lot. The NHS also gets criticism for doing too much like gender realignment, fertility treatment and bariatric/cosmetic surgery.

http://www.scottishconservatives.com/2015/08/ruth-time-to-review-nhs-target-culture/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/10078062/why-do-we-pay-national-insurance
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My point basically is that nothing is free. And I agree with most people that we are headed toward single payer 'free' healthcare in this country. For better or worse.

Here's what it's going to look like because it's already happening: the better surgeons are already gravitating towards free-standing clinics that don't take public money and/or focus on either private pay or traditional insurance. They own the building, the equipment, hire managers to mind the employees and structure it so wages are paid etc.

As time goes on people getting 'free' healthcare will be left with a second-tier system that more or less resembles the VA in this country.

If that's what everyone wants, fine. Just keep in mind that's what you are going to end up with.
 
https://www.aboutaustralia.com/australia-size-compared-to-usa/
https://www.google.com/#q=population+of+australia
https://www.google.com/#q=californi...y8uAdLFJZnJiTnxRanpQCGrgvyC0hywLADAfJVsOAAAAA
When are you single payer zombies going to embrace science on this subject? Give me an America with the landmass, GDP, military obligations and population of Australia or Canada, and I will gladly march with the snowflakes for the government to kiss all my boo boos and make it all better. It's DEMOGRAPHICS, dumbasses!
 
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