Who is willing to defend United Airlines?

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That's only because you have the reading comprehension skills of a gerbil...granted that places you on a higher level than Grinds writing skills but NOT BY MUCH!

That is hilarious coming from a guy who can't comprehend what Grind wrote in more than one post. He outlined it perfectly how you completely misread what he said, multiple times.

You're a blind hack when you want to be, other times, I see you as being fair, but you have strong preconceived notions of people and don't bother reading what they actually say, you just assume.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

I think an issue some people are having is that, he apparently, said he would accept the voucher, and then when he found out he could not attend his patients the next day, he declined and some are using this as an excuse and calling him belligerent.

Sorry folks, if he though he would only be delayed a few hours and could still get to work and then found out he could not, he had every right to reject their offer.

 

[Rune]

Oh, so its not just blanket cooperation.

So did this guys ticket say he had to give up his seat if they needed it for employees?

No.
We covered this in the other thread.

 

[Rune]

Sure...the law states that you have no right to argue when an airline tells you to get off of a plane. No doubt more stringent since 9/11.
A week prior, UA kicked two people off for the way they were dressed.

This man did nothing to warrant being tossed off of the plane. He may have broken the law by passively refusing to leave, but this story segues nicely into the common practice of police sentencing black people to death for 'not complying'.

Nope
He was removed illegally.

 

[Rune]

What's your goal in not doing so?

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Sure...the law states that you have no right to argue when an airline tells you to get off of a plane. No doubt more stringent since 9/11.
A week prior, UA kicked two people off for the way they were dressed.

This man did nothing to warrant being tossed off of the plane. He may have broken the law by passively refusing to leave, but this story segues nicely into the common practice of police sentencing black people to death for 'not complying'.

The two people were likely considered a security risk, right or wrong, that is cause.

Since when to police sentence anyone to death? Oh, you're talking about a very small percent of police who use excessive force and are now finally being punished for it. And btw, it isn't just black people, but maybe you don't care unless it fits your narrative.

 

[Rune]

We agree that it will never get to court. United will settle as quickly and as quietly as possible. As such, I don't think there will be a court case. The passenger broke the law. We won't see him prosecuted. The airline might have been within their rights, as they don't have to give a reason for asking you to leave per se. They removed two women a few weeks ago for wearing leggings.

The cops were doing their job, so no grand jury will indict them either. Even though they were incompetent.

No the passenger did not break the law.

 

[Rune]

would you expect a different result than if you didn't pay taxes so you'd have freedom from oppression?

Drunk k posting again?

 

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Drunk k posting again?

j/k

 

[Rune]

No it doesn't. The Ticket references enforceable contracts.

Yes it does.
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[Rune]

No. UA fucked up because they violated Federal Law. Ticket purchasers on airlines have contract of carriage rights. An airline can refuse boarding to a customer for any number of reasons but if they are bumping a passenger than they are required by Federal law of offer a minimum of 200% of the price of the one way portion of their flight if the delay to the next flight in under an hour and a minimum of 400% if it's over two hours delay. Which the passenger is well within their rights to refuse. It is then incumbent upon the airlines to negotiate an equitable settlement, before boarding! The airlines can delay boarding as long as they want until a resolution is achieved.

However once boarding begins and a passenger is seated the contract of carriage laws are quite specific and the airlines are required to provide a notification, in writing, to the passenger being removed from the flight why they are being removed, in a "bump" situation.

United CLEARLY did not provide a written notification to Dr. Dao before the police were summoned to beat his ass and drag him off the plane.

Now obviously United may not have intended for the Cops to have beaten the passengers ass and dragged him off the plane and the conduct by the officers is not permissible conduct (which is why all three have been suspended). However United made a huge fuck up of staggering proportions by not closely adhering to Federal Law and providing Dr. Dao a written notification as is required. That fuck up was dramatically compounded by the Cops going postal on Dr. Dao's ass but ultimately United will be held accountable for that as they summoned the Police.

So yea...try not to get your information from Youtube...You might want to look at a variety of sources. Dr. Dao is going to make out like a bandit because United CLEARLY violated Federal contract of carriage laws.

Almost but nope.
I published the actual relevant document.
He could have been removed for many reasons legally but once seated, not for overbooking or any other airline centric reason.

 

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LOL

Rune is kicking Mott's ass in this debate.

Poor Mott.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

That is hilarious coming from a guy who can't comprehend what Grind wrote in more than one post. He outlined it perfectly how you completely misread what he said, multiple times.

You're a blind hack when you want to be, other times, I see you as being fair, but you have strong preconceived notions of people and don't bother reading what they actually say, you just assume.

I don't have preconceived notions about Grind. I just attack him on general principle.

 

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I don't have preconceived notions about Grind. I just attack him on general principle.

How is then, that you missed his 3-5 posts that said that opposite of what you claimed he said?

You can't deny you totally and completely misread his posts. He flat out said the same thing as you did and you said he was wrong. He literally said the same thing you did. Man the horse up and admit it.

I swear, since Trump has won, liberals have gone absolutely insane.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Look Motty, Rune is kicking your ass in this debate.

Yeah, look in the mirror after rereading this thread.

Rune completely schooled you. Rune.

LOL

 

[Althea]

You trying to bring in Police in civilian areas and correlate it what happened on the United flight.
By the way, Universal Security handles security operations for the City of Chicago Department of Aviation at O’Hare and Midway airports.

And then, there's this:

What are the Chicago aviation police?

Q: Are aviation police part of the Chicago Police Department?
A: No. They're with the Chicago Department of Aviation.
Q: How many aviation officers are there?
A: About 300. Working at the city's two major airports, they are a mix of part- and full-time cops, and some work as police in other departments, said Adam Rosen, a spokesman for Service Employees International Union Local 73, which represents them. Full-timers earn between $50,000 and $88,000 a year and cost the city about $19 million a year.
Q: Do they have the same training and powers as CPD officers?
A: Aviation police must meet the same minimum standards as other local cops, according to a city website. That includes passing fitness testing and psychological examinations. Aviation officers can "temporarily detain and take people into custody until Chicago police arrives," said city spokeswoman Jennifer Martinez. But only Chicago police can file an arrest report, she said. Some training and qualification standards for Chicago police go beyond the state's minimum standards, and it is unclear what the Aviation Department requires of officers beyond the minimum.

Why are you going to such lengths to draw distinctions between law enforcement agencies. It's like Army/Navy/Marines. They all have similar jobs, and they approach them in the same fashion.

Are you saying that airport cops aren't all roided up like civilian cops? Because it sure looked like they were. Of course, many of them are civilian cops, so your attempts to create a comparison have failed.

 

[Althea]

Correct.
His forcible removal was illegal.
For this reason the Dr. also has a case against the police.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Althea]

Nope
He was removed illegally.

That will remain to be seen. Without spending hours researching the law, I would think that since 9/11, airlines don't need a very good excuse for asking passengers to leave. They serve alcohol, but if they deem you too drunk, they can escort you off of the plane. I seem to remember an incident with a crying baby too.

 

[Althea]

The two people were likely considered a security risk, right or wrong, that is cause.

Since when to police sentence anyone to death? Oh, you're talking about a very small percent of police who use excessive force and are now finally being punished for it. And btw, it isn't just black people, but maybe you don't care unless it fits your narrative.

Can you cite any incidents of white people being murdered by white cops because 'they didn't comply'?

Oh, wait....whites always comply...eh?

 

[Althea]

No the passenger did not break the law.

If you are minding your business and a cop tells you to get on the ground, the moment you refuse, you have broken the law. I'm not sure if that applies across the board on airlines.