Who is willing to defend United Airlines?

Thing1 said:
I think United clearly created the situation, but the guy who dragged the passenger out of his seat wasn't a United employee. I'm sure United was just as shocked by that video as anyone else.

That guy could have been seriously hurt with the way his head hit the seat. No excuse for that.
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He's in the hospital with a concussion, and two teeth missing.
 
Althea said:
The court case will have nothing to do with the legalities. In fact, it will never get to court.
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I disagree; because if it's not the "legalities", then why would the Courts be involved.

I also don't think that the suit against United will never reach the Courts; because they're not going to want more negative PR and they'll settle with a non-discloser addition.
 
Thing1 said:
I think United clearly created the situation, but the guy who dragged the passenger out of his seat wasn't a United employee. I'm sure United was just as shocked by that video as anyone else.

That guy could have been seriously hurt with the way his head hit the seat. No excuse for that.
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Unfortunately; when someone uses a third party, in relationship to their business, they assume the responsibility for that third party.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
All a lawyer has to do is show that United had other options to get their employees to where they were going and United is going to get their ass handed to them.

I'm making a prediction that this will never get to Court; because United is going to settle this out of Court, for millions.
The other possible suits, I'm not sure if they'll settle or go to Court.

I do think that all the airlines will be looking at revamping policies and procedures, when it comes to available seating and such.
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over booking is a necessary evil in the industry, and I don't think that will change. But, they might change the parameters for determining a passenger's rights. We might see legislation re. this particular instance, especially when it boils down to internal employee issues.

They created new laws after that plane full of passengers sat on a tarmac for two hours a few years ago.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I disagree; because if it's not the "legalities", then why would the Courts be involved.

I also don't think that the suit against United will never reach the Courts; because they're not going to want more negative PR and they'll settle with a non-discloser addition.
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We agree that it will never get to court. United will settle as quickly and as quietly as possible. As such, I don't think there will be a court case. The passenger broke the law. We won't see him prosecuted. The airline might have been within their rights, as they don't have to give a reason for asking you to leave per se. They removed two women a few weeks ago for wearing leggings.

The cops were doing their job, so no grand jury will indict them either. Even though they were incompetent.
 
Althea said:
over booking is a necessary evil in the industry, and I don't think that will change. But, they might change the parameters for determining a passenger's rights. We might see legislation re. this particular instance, especially when it boils down to internal employee issues.

They created new laws after that plane full of passengers sat on a tarmac for two hours a few years ago.
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They know they've overbooked, before all the passengers are boarded.

Once a plane is full, they don't allow anyone else to board the plane.

This is about them arbitrarily throwing someone off a plane; because of an accommodation of their own employees.

Why didn't they know that the 4 employees needed a seat; PRIOR to allowing the last 4 passengers to board?
Why weren't the 4 employees on an early flight?
There are more questions about how United could have and probably should have handled this and they FAILED.
 
Althea said:
We agree that it will never get to court. United will settle as quickly and as quietly as possible. As such, I don't think there will be a court case. The passenger broke the law. We won't see him prosecuted. The airline might have been within their rights, as they don't have to give a reason for asking you to leave per se. They removed two women a few weeks ago for wearing leggings.

The cops were doing their job, so no grand jury will indict them either. Even though they were incompetent.
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The two women you referenced were not removed from the plane, as they were never allowed to board.
Different set of circumstances.

Slamming a passengers head against an arm rest, breaking his nose and 2 teeth, is not "doing their job"; when all he said was no and was not committing a crime.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
They know they've overbooked, before all the passengers are boarded.

Once a plane is full, they don't allow anyone else to board the plane.
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Yes. Typically, they know at the gate that they have an issue, and deal with it accordingly. Bumped passengers don't get to board.

This is about them arbitrarily throwing someone off a plane; because of an accommodation of their own employees.

Why didn't they know that the 4 employees needed a seat; PRIOR to allowing the last 4 passengers to board?
Why weren't the 4 employees on an early flight?
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It seems that 4 employees in Louisville banged out of work. United found employees to cover, and this situation arose. No doubt, it was all last minute
There are more questions about how United could have and probably should have handled this and they FAILED.
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There is no question that they failed. Their internal problems should not take precedent over the public. There were other ways to get the employees to their destination.


Civil settlements aside,I don't know what will end up in court here?


Recap...the leggings were being worn by people using employee passes. United has dress codes for employees, so they were able to deny boarding.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Slamming a passengers head against an arm rest, breaking his nose and 2 teeth, is not "doing their job"; when all he said was no and was not committing a crime.
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In case you haven't noticed, this country has a problem with cops, and roid rage.
 
Hot girls in my avatar said:
well where UA fucked up is apparently they did not put in the fineprint that they were allowed to take people off the plane once they had boarded. So that is why they will lose. I am just answering jarods hypotheticals and moral questions. In this specific instance UA was wrong, but not for the reasons jarod believes. Jarod thinks they are wrong because of his feels and because people should be able to enter into contracts and break them whenever they want. My argument is, UA fucked up and didn't add one extra line of fine print.
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No. UA fucked up because they violated Federal Law. Ticket purchasers on airlines have contract of carriage rights. An airline can refuse boarding to a customer for any number of reasons but if they are bumping a passenger than they are required by Federal law of offer a minimum of 200% of the price of the one way portion of their flight if the delay to the next flight in under an hour and a minimum of 400% if it's over two hours delay. Which the passenger is well within their rights to refuse. It is then incumbent upon the airlines to negotiate an equitable settlement, before boarding! The airlines can delay boarding as long as they want until a resolution is achieved.

However once boarding begins and a passenger is seated the contract of carriage laws are quite specific and the airlines are required to provide a notification, in writing, to the passenger being removed from the flight why they are being removed, in a "bump" situation.

United CLEARLY did not provide a written notification to Dr. Dao before the police were summoned to beat his ass and drag him off the plane.

Now obviously United may not have intended for the Cops to have beaten the passengers ass and dragged him off the plane and the conduct by the officers is not permissible conduct (which is why all three have been suspended). However United made a huge fuck up of staggering proportions by not closely adhering to Federal Law and providing Dr. Dao a written notification as is required. That fuck up was dramatically compounded by the Cops going postal on Dr. Dao's ass but ultimately United will be held accountable for that as they summoned the Police.

So yea...try not to get your information from Youtube...You might want to look at a variety of sources. Dr. Dao is going to make out like a bandit because United CLEARLY violated Federal contract of carriage laws.
 
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Here's an idea:
What would happen if people started calling their local United Airlines booking agents and requested information about a flight on a certain day and to a certain destination AND then ask how much extra they have to pay to NOT GET KNOCKED OUT AND TOO NOT HAVE THEIR NOSE OR TWO TEETH BROKEN?
Then when the agent says they don't offer that, just tell them "Never mind, I'll just fly with _____________ instead".
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No. UA fucked up because they violated Federal Law. Ticket purchasers on airlines have contract of carriage rights. An airline can refuse boarding to a customer for any number of reasons but if they are bumping a passenger than they are required by Federal law of offer 200% of the price of the one way portion of their flight if the delay to the next flight in under an hour and 400% if it's over two hours delay. Which the passenger is well within their rights to refuse. It is then incumbent upon the airlines to negotiate an equitable settlement, before boarding!

However once boarding begins the contract of carriage laws are quite specific and the airlines are required to provide a notification, in writing, to the passenger being removed from the flight why they are being removed, in a "bump" situation.

United CLEARLY did not provide a written notification to Dr. Dao before the police were summoned to beat his ass and drag him off the plane.

Now obviously United may not have intended for the Cops to have beaten the passengers ass and dragged him off the plane and the conduct by the officers is not permissible conduct (which is why all three have been suspended). However United made a huge fuck up of staggering proportions by not closely adhering to Federal Law and providing Dr. Dao a written notification as is required. That fuck up was dramatically compounded by the Cops going postal on Dr. Dao's ass but ultimately United will be held accountable for that as they summoned the Police.

So yea...try not to get your information from Youtube...You might want to look at a variety of sources. Dr. Dao is going to make out like a bandit because United CLEARLY violated Federal contract of carriage laws.
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Which federal law is that?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
The two women you referenced were not removed from the plane, as they were never allowed to board.
Different set of circumstances.

Slamming a passengers head against an arm rest, breaking his nose and 2 teeth, is not "doing their job"; when all he said was no and was not committing a crime.
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Agreed and I"m sure that the moron at United who summoned them probably was naïve enough not to think that one through. Ultimately it is that employee of United who made that decision without providing Dr. Dao with proper written notification of his removal from the flight will feel the full force of United's managements wrath.

Now that does not excuse the police officers behavior, which was grossly inappropriate under the circumstances, but they too are facing the music over their actions. Ultimately it was United employee who summoned them so United will be held accountable for their actions in any civil proceedings.
 
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