Obama
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Obama does stand in stark contrast to the Orange Clown.
Do be honest, I was a little annoyed by some of those on the left who seemed to spend the first six years of Obama's administration stating how "very disappointed" they were in Obama. Annoyed in the same way I was annoyed with Nader-voting lefties who claimed Al Gore was no better than George Dumbya Bush.
Obama was a transformational president in many ways, and mostly for the better. There are indeed few presidents who can lay claim to have been truly transformational. Obama is already being recognized for that, and as the years go by he might even crack the "top ten" list of best presidents.
Airstrip One
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I wouldn't be smug if my signature program was causing insurance premiums to spike by 30-125% in every state of the union.
There's a few things I will say for Obama. He can speak the English language, and he isn't a douchebag (at least in his public persona). I consider those the minimum basic requirements to run for/serve as president. His successor couldn't even read a birth certificate, and hasn't fared much better in the literacy department ever since.
There's a few things I will say for Obama. He can speak the English language, and he isn't a douchebag (at least in his public persona). I consider those the minimum basic requirements to run for/serve as president. His successor couldn't even read a birth certificate, and hasn't fared much better in the literacy department ever since.
I don't miss him at all as he almost succeeded in destroying the middle class. His stench will be felt for decades.
I will speak for myself, not the other millions that were also disappointed..
It really began w/ his cabinet picks=hardly change now was it?
Most dems & others wanted some form of single payer/universal, what we got was not what we asked for-pelosi & others took it off the table right off the bat, he rolled w/ it..
I don't want to go on & on rehashing~bitching as you might call it but there is one YUGE thing that bothered me about those that cheered for everything he did, eventhough it wasn't what they really wanted~yea, a lot like the trumpfins do now eventhough the dirty is driving "their country" in a totally new, perhaps opposite direction...
Much of what passed for bitching, complaining etc was in fact demanding accountability.. If his own supporters are not going to hold him accountable then who is??
"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." FDR
cawacko
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I'll give you respect for this post Bill. For far to many people who follow politics it seems any criticism of someone they support is deemed off limits. To me, because I vote for someone doesn't mean they are above criticism. Now there are some who criticize who have unrealistic expectations of what any politician can do but on the whole constructive self criticism is generally a good thing
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I don't miss Obama so much as I basically can't stand Trump. Obama was a stuck up snarky tool most of the time.
At least he didn't use twitter. I'm so sick of Trumps crazy tweets, just shut up already.
At least he didn't use twitter. I'm so sick of Trumps crazy tweets, just shut up already.
Airstrip One
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Best part of Trump is his Twitter, and the parody account of @Writeintrump. My daily sources of entertainment.
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Whoever is writing that, is funny as heck fire.
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The guy actually created the account in 2012.
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Who says you have to pay attention to or even acknowledge the tweets?
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Nobody actually remembers what the GDP growth rate was under Teddy Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, FDR, Lincoln, or Eisenhower.
Obama is going to be remembered for saving the nation from the Second Great Republican Depression, advancing the cause of universal health care and civil rights, saving the American auto industry, being very prescient on the foolish invasion of Iraq, and generally fixing the utter clusterfuck left to him by his predecessors, George Dumbya and Dick Cheney.
Reasons for which he is already being ranked 12th best by historians in this scholarly survey.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
You shouldn't be. If experience has taught me anything it is that it's not wise to be smug about anything having to do with politics.
cawacko
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There's a reason historians, people who study history, wait years if not decades to fully judge a Presidency because the full effects of the administrations decisions can't be known the day after they leave office.
President Obama gets credit for being the first black President. We have a long history of racial trouble in our country so this is a major accomplishment. He is also a very eloquent and at times inspiring (and when he wants to be inclusive) speaker.
You are correct that people don't say President A has 2.6% growth, President B had 3.1% etc. We don't remember those exact numbers. But we do know what happened overall. We have to go back to the 1920's to find a President who didn't have at least one year of 3% economic growth during their term. Obama was in office for eight years.
As to your other claims, he didn't save the auto industry. He should have allowed the auto industry firms to file for BK as firms in other industries do. There's a reason our auto manufacturers were performing as they were and BK is set up to allow them to reorganize and attempt to compete again.
If Obamacare leads to single payer then yes he will definitely get credit for the major move in that direction. As far as advancing civil rights did you have something particular in mind?
As far as being a transformative President I'm not exactly sure what you had in mind other than he broke a major glass ceiling in this country and hopefully gave inspiration to millions of kids that they too can have and reach that dream.
His foreign policy was full of disasters highlighted with Libya and Syria. If you want an appeal to authority I'd be glad to post the work of Middle East and foreign policy scholars who state this.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I think you have to be careful ranking Presidents as it often reflects your own values and maybe not reality.
To a libertarians values Calvin Cooledge lassiez faire policies created unprecedented prosperity in the 1920's. To others they were a significant contributing factor to our nations worst economic catastrophe. Both are right.
Also there's a bit of a fallacy in applying this sort statistical ranking to those who have held a specific public office.
Certainly there have been Presidents who have extraordinary leaders. Washington, Lincoln, FDR. Then some who were exceptionally bad, Pierce, Buchanan and Nixon.
The overwhelming majority of our Presidents have served our nation well. They have respected the office and institutions of government as greater than themselves and have largely provided sound governance under which for most of our history we have prospered.
Was Obama transformational? I don't know. I think time will sort that out. He is certainly historical and has had significant and substantial accomplishments. He's also had failures and policies that I disagree with or frustrated me.
I see to much evidence that he hasn't been transformational. He did little to stop our steady progress towards oligarchy. Our government is still disproportionately influenced by interests at the expense of the voting public and if his election showed how far we came as a nation on the issue of race he also showed how far we still have to go as his election deeply polarized nearly a quarter of our population who were deeply angered and resentful that a niger was elected President.
Personally I think Obama was an important and historically significant President but top ten? Time will tell and the influence of his policies and the laws he signed will determine that.