The Freedom Caucus exemplifies the problem with conservatism,

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they are so obstinate they can't compromise, they can't even acknowledge another's position, it is either their way or the highway. Yesterday was the perfect example, and nothing was accomplished on an issue they all agree upon even though they control a dominate majority in the House

A democracy is based upon compromise, the Constitution is made up of compromises, and to assume a dogmatic inflexible postion accomplishes nothing, it is an infantile approach to serious matters.

It is understandable why Boehner quit and Ryan has to be asking himself today why he even bothered
 
And aren't the Demmycrat the example of what is wrong with liberalism?......not a single one has shown any intention of cooperating to solve any problems since the election.....
 
That's all we've ever done is compromise...with Dems...with the alt left...with rinos.................enough, it's the other guys' turn for awhile.
 
the constitution is not made of compromises. the states gave certain powers to the feds and THAT IS IT!!!!! there should be no other compromise.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
And aren't the Demmycrat the example of what is wrong with liberalism?......not a single one has shown any intention of cooperating to solve any problems since the election.....
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Ah, no, how can the Democrats be faulted with not cooperating when neither the Congress nor the President need the Democrats to get anything accomplished? Besides that, the only legislation the House has initiated of note was their Health Care alternative. And the last thing Democrats are is obstinate, remember, they actually believe Government can aid Americans
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the constitution is not made of compromises. the states gave certain powers to the feds and THAT IS IT!!!!! there should be no other compromise.
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Wrong, did you skip History class in school. Nearly everything in the Constitution that creates the Government we have today was arrived at thru compromise, did you really thing the large states at the time wanted to give equal representation to the smaller states? It is called the "Great Compromise" for a reason

Sad when a conservative doesn't know his Constitutional history
 
Stretch said:
That's all we've ever done is compromise...with Dems...with the alt left...with rinos.................enough, it's the other guys' turn for awhile.
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Well that's the way it works in politics in a democracy. You don't get everything you want. Particularly when you have a serious track record of ineptitude, incompetence and just flat out being wrong most of the time as the far right does.
 
compromising cannot co-exist with conservatism. The very nature of conservatism is to preserve the status quo, not chip away at it. Any compromise is a victory for liberalism. There is no upside to a conservative compromising on anything. It's an automatic loss. For a liberal, every compromise is a win, either a slow grinding win, or a major win. But a win all the same.
 
Tom is a bogman said:
compromising cannot co-exist with conservatism. The very nature of conservatism is to preserve the status quo, not chip away at it. Any compromise is a victory for liberalism. There is no upside to a conservative compromising on anything. It's an automatic loss. For a liberal, every compromise is a win, either a slow grinding win, or a major win. But a win all the same.
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Well then you'll never be able to govern affectively other than through coercion, force and violence.
 
archives said:
Wrong, did you skip History class in school. Nearly everything in the Constitution that creates the Government we have today was arrived at thru compromise, did you really thing the large states at the time wanted to give equal representation to the smaller states? It is called the "Great Compromise" for a reason

Sad when a conservative doesn't know his Constitutional history
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1. NOT a conservative
2. The CREATION of the constitution was all compromise. the end result allowed NO COMPROMISE.
3. The STATES had no problems with the constitution because of the 9th and 10th Amendments, which are now largely ignored by liberals and conservatives.
 
Tom is a bogman said:
compromising cannot co-exist with conservatism. The very nature of conservatism is to preserve the status quo, not chip away at it. Any compromise is a victory for liberalism. There is no upside to a conservative compromising on anything. It's an automatic loss. For a liberal, every compromise is a win, either a slow grinding win, or a major win. But a win all the same.
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Thanks for endorsing the point, but that ain't the way the Founding Fathers established our Government, more of 17th Century outlook
 
SmarterthanYou said:
1. NOT a conservative
2. The CREATION of the constitution was all compromise. the end result allowed NO COMPROMISE.
3. The STATES had no problems with the constitution because of the 9th and 10th Amendments, which are now largely ignored by liberals and conservatives.
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"the end result allowed NO COMPROMISE?" How then has anything been accomplished in the last two hundred plus years?
 
archives said:
"the end result allowed NO COMPROMISE?" How then has anything been accomplished in the last two hundred plus years?
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do you call the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights as accomplishments? because THAT is the only thing that's happened over the last 230+ years.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
do you call the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights as accomplishments? because THAT is the only thing that's happened over the last 230+ years.
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"the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights?" Outside of some Lockean consideration what in the hell is that suppose to mean, "the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights?"
 
archives said:
"the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights?" Outside of some Lockean consideration what in the hell is that suppose to mean, "the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights?"
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maybe because you're a moron, everytime a new law is passed, it chips away at our liberties making us less free.
 
anatta said:
Freedom Caucus are a bunch of spoiled brats
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I sort alluded to that in another thread.

Getting any sort of consensus on a healthcare bill is going to be difficult because it's like there's two parties in the GOP. Not that democrats would fare any better because they have their own establishment at odds with the Bernie/Warren wing.

It's remarkable the ACA ever got passed to begin with. Then it had to survive SCOTUS and it only did that because of an imaginative ruling by the bench. It was a bad day for the country when it did pass because this wreck is going to ramble down the road before it finally finds a ditch.

In 2009 I was preaching incrementalism: it's less difficult to get people to agree on small changes and it decreases the odds of mucking up the whole system.
 
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