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blackascoal
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Another lie: Donald Trump admits support for ‘surgical’ Libya intervention despite repeatedly claiming opposition
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...suppoted-libya-intervention-article-1.2662238
Where is that ass-licking bitch.
ALL THAT ANGST AND WHINING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON .. THEN YOU RAN OUT AND VOTED FOR THE GUY THAT AGREED WITH HER .. WHILE CLAIMING TO BE HOLIER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE..
too fucking easy
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...suppoted-libya-intervention-article-1.2662238
Where is that ass-licking bitch.
ALL THAT ANGST AND WHINING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON .. THEN YOU RAN OUT AND VOTED FOR THE GUY THAT AGREED WITH HER .. WHILE CLAIMING TO BE HOLIER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE..
too fucking easy
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Where is that bitch? :0) I know that stupid motherfucker is still on this board licking Trump's ass. Know he's reading this thread.
.. now he runs like a rat from the evidence of his amazing ignorance.
.. now he runs like a rat from the evidence of his amazing ignorance.
Trump was outside looking in.
Many people reflexively supported bombing when they heard Qaddafi was massacre ing in Bengazi.
But Clinton had the intelligence, Clinton wanted much more then "surgical bombing" (Trump) -she went all in for REGIME CHANGE -she's the one that demanded Qadaffi become a military target.
She organized international pressure for regime change too.
If it wasn't for Clinton - Obama would have listened to Gates plea "let us finish one war first"-
but Clinton was the deciding factor.
Clinton has the bloody hands - not Trump and not Bernie's casting unanimous support votes (sense of the Senate).
The other day you tried to pass off as "it was US policy" that Libya was inevitably bombed to assasisation and destruction. You are clawing at desperate attempts to deflect from Clintons deep involvement with every phase
of Libyan war 2011.
As I've tried to tell you over and over- Toby- your girl was the driving international force,and chief US advocate
of the White House National Security Council's deliberations, and type of the war's prosecution.
Her and Madeline Albright - not Trump, not Bernie- dredged up the UN 's Responsibility to Protect ( R2P) doctrine and used it as her base of "Smart Power" to sway Obama..
Even the NYTimes recognizes this and most of the article focuses on her neocon deal with the NTC.
"Spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun"- her excuse for"humanitarian war" .
Sorry Toby you are pitifully clinging at straws, but I've had way more experience knocking down revisionists like yourself. checkmate.
The evidence is lacking,(you are lacking) an ability to show more then a superficial similarity of statement
from Trump .
The other day it was "Bernie did it"..then it was "US policy did it".
Lot's of people thought off the top of their heads that the Bengazi massacre ( that never happened) must be stopped. Most sane people would think that way.
Hell. I thought that way at first glance ( like Trump does here) until I started to examine the particulars.
But it was Clinton who went in full force after she knew Qadaffii was not massacring his own protestors.
It was Clinton who kept it up..don't believe me? check out her own state dept.
AND IT WAS CLINTON WHO REFUSED TO TAKE THE PHONE CALL FROM QADAFFI SON -at the last minute
that still could have stopped the madness
From: Jake Sullivan
Sant: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuiand, Victoria J
Subject: tidc todc on libya
this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S'Clinton
leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish, let me know what you
think. toria, who else might be able to add to this?
Secretary Clinton's leadership on Libya
HRC has been a critical voice on Libya in administration deliberations, at NATO, and in contact group
meetings — as well as the public face of the U.S. effort in Libya. She was instrumental in securing the
authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.
February 25 — HRC
announces
the suspension of operations of the Libyan embassy in Washington.
February 26 — HRC directs efforts to evacuate all U.S. embassy personnel from Tripoli and orders the closing of
the embassy.
February 26 HRC made a series of calls to her counterparts to help secure passage of UNSC 1970, which
imposes sanctions on Gaddafi and his family and refers Qadhafi and his cronies to the ICC
February 28 — HRC travels to Geneva, Switzerland for consultations with European partners on Libya. She
gives a major address in which she says: "Colonel Qadhafi and those around him must be held accountable for
these acts, which violate international legal obligations and common decency. Through their actions, they have
lost the legitimacy to govern. And the people of Libya have made themselves clear: It is time for Qadhafi to go
— now, without further violence or delay." She also works to secure the suspension of Libya from membership
in the Human Rights Council.
Early March — HRC appoints Special Envoy Chris Stevens to be the U.S. representative to Benghazi
March 14 — HRC travels to Paris for the G8 foreign minister's meeting. She meets with TNC representative
Jibril and consults with her colleagues on further UN Security Council action. She notes that a no-fly zone will
not be adequate.
March 14-16 — HRC participates in a
series
of high-level video- and teleconferences
She is a leading voice for strong UNSC action and a NA TO civilian
protection mission.
PRODUCED TO HOUSE SELECT BENGHAZI COMM.
SUBJECT TO AGREEMENT ON SENSITIVE INFORMATION & REDACTIONS. NO FOIA WAIVER.
STATE-SCB0045099
March 17— HRC secures Russian abstention and Portuguese and African support for UNSC 1973, ensuring that
it passes. 1973 authorizes a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" - code for military action - to
protect civilians against Gaddafts army.
March 24 — HRC engages with allies and secures the transition of command and control of the civilian
protection mission to NATO. She announces the transition in a statement.
March 18-30— HRC engages with UAE, Qatar, and Jordan to seek their participation in coalition
operations. Over the course of several days, all three devote aircraft to the mission.
March 19 —
HRC travels to Paris to meet with European and Arab leaders to prepare for military action to
protect civilians. That night, the first U.S. air strikes halt the advance of Gaddafi's forces on Benghazi and
target Libya's air defenses.
March 29 — HRC
travels to London for a conference on Libya, where she
is a driving force behind the creation
of a Contact Group comprising 20-plus countries to coordinate efforts to protect civilians and plan for a post-
Qadhafi Libya. She is instrumental in setting up a rotating chair system to ensure regional buy-in.
April 14— HRC travels to Berlin for NATO meetings. She is the driving force behind NATO adopting a
communique that calls for Qadhafi's
departure as a political objective, and lays out three clear military
objectives: end of attacks and threat of attacks on civilians; the removal of Qadhafi forces from cities they
forcibly entered; and the unfettered provision of humanitarian access.
May 5 — HRC travels to Rome for a Contact Group meeting. The Contact Group establishes a coordination
system and a temporary financial mechanism to funnel money to the TNC.
June 8 — HRC travels to Abu Dhabi for another Contact Group meeting and holds a series of intense discussions
with rebel leaders.
June 12 — HRC travels to Addis for consultations and a speech before the African Union, pressing the case for a
democratic transition in Libya.
July 15 — HRC travels to Istanbul and announces that the U.S. recognizes the TNC as the legitimate government
of Libya. She also secures recognition from the other members of the Contact Group.
Late June — HRC meets with House Democrats and Senate Republicans to persuade them not to de-fund the
Libya operation.
July 16 — HRC sends Feltman, Cretz, and Chollet to Tunis to meet with Qadhafi envoys "to deliver a clear and
firm message that the only way to move forward, is for Qadhafi to step down".
Early August — HRC works to construct a $1.5 billion assets package to be approved by the Security Council
and sent to the TNC. That package is working through its last hurdles.
Early August -- After military chief Abdel Fattah Younes is killed, S sends a personal message to TNC head
Jalil to press for a responsible investigation and a careful and inclusive approach to creating a new executive
council
Early August -- HRC secures written pledges from the TNC to an inclusive, pluralistic democratic
transition.
She continues
to consult with European and Arab colleagues on the evolving situatiion
Sant: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuiand, Victoria J
Subject: tidc todc on libya
this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S'Clinton
leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish, let me know what you
think. toria, who else might be able to add to this?
Secretary Clinton's leadership on Libya
HRC has been a critical voice on Libya in administration deliberations, at NATO, and in contact group
meetings — as well as the public face of the U.S. effort in Libya. She was instrumental in securing the
authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.
February 25 — HRC
announces
the suspension of operations of the Libyan embassy in Washington.
February 26 — HRC directs efforts to evacuate all U.S. embassy personnel from Tripoli and orders the closing of
the embassy.
February 26 HRC made a series of calls to her counterparts to help secure passage of UNSC 1970, which
imposes sanctions on Gaddafi and his family and refers Qadhafi and his cronies to the ICC
February 28 — HRC travels to Geneva, Switzerland for consultations with European partners on Libya. She
gives a major address in which she says: "Colonel Qadhafi and those around him must be held accountable for
these acts, which violate international legal obligations and common decency. Through their actions, they have
lost the legitimacy to govern. And the people of Libya have made themselves clear: It is time for Qadhafi to go
— now, without further violence or delay." She also works to secure the suspension of Libya from membership
in the Human Rights Council.
Early March — HRC appoints Special Envoy Chris Stevens to be the U.S. representative to Benghazi
March 14 — HRC travels to Paris for the G8 foreign minister's meeting. She meets with TNC representative
Jibril and consults with her colleagues on further UN Security Council action. She notes that a no-fly zone will
not be adequate.
March 14-16 — HRC participates in a
series
of high-level video- and teleconferences
She is a leading voice for strong UNSC action and a NA TO civilian
protection mission.
PRODUCED TO HOUSE SELECT BENGHAZI COMM.
SUBJECT TO AGREEMENT ON SENSITIVE INFORMATION & REDACTIONS. NO FOIA WAIVER.
STATE-SCB0045099
March 17— HRC secures Russian abstention and Portuguese and African support for UNSC 1973, ensuring that
it passes. 1973 authorizes a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" - code for military action - to
protect civilians against Gaddafts army.
March 24 — HRC engages with allies and secures the transition of command and control of the civilian
protection mission to NATO. She announces the transition in a statement.
March 18-30— HRC engages with UAE, Qatar, and Jordan to seek their participation in coalition
operations. Over the course of several days, all three devote aircraft to the mission.
March 19 —
HRC travels to Paris to meet with European and Arab leaders to prepare for military action to
protect civilians. That night, the first U.S. air strikes halt the advance of Gaddafi's forces on Benghazi and
target Libya's air defenses.
March 29 — HRC
travels to London for a conference on Libya, where she
is a driving force behind the creation
of a Contact Group comprising 20-plus countries to coordinate efforts to protect civilians and plan for a post-
Qadhafi Libya. She is instrumental in setting up a rotating chair system to ensure regional buy-in.
April 14— HRC travels to Berlin for NATO meetings. She is the driving force behind NATO adopting a
communique that calls for Qadhafi's
departure as a political objective, and lays out three clear military
objectives: end of attacks and threat of attacks on civilians; the removal of Qadhafi forces from cities they
forcibly entered; and the unfettered provision of humanitarian access.
May 5 — HRC travels to Rome for a Contact Group meeting. The Contact Group establishes a coordination
system and a temporary financial mechanism to funnel money to the TNC.
June 8 — HRC travels to Abu Dhabi for another Contact Group meeting and holds a series of intense discussions
with rebel leaders.
June 12 — HRC travels to Addis for consultations and a speech before the African Union, pressing the case for a
democratic transition in Libya.
July 15 — HRC travels to Istanbul and announces that the U.S. recognizes the TNC as the legitimate government
of Libya. She also secures recognition from the other members of the Contact Group.
Late June — HRC meets with House Democrats and Senate Republicans to persuade them not to de-fund the
Libya operation.
July 16 — HRC sends Feltman, Cretz, and Chollet to Tunis to meet with Qadhafi envoys "to deliver a clear and
firm message that the only way to move forward, is for Qadhafi to step down".
Early August — HRC works to construct a $1.5 billion assets package to be approved by the Security Council
and sent to the TNC. That package is working through its last hurdles.
Early August -- After military chief Abdel Fattah Younes is killed, S sends a personal message to TNC head
Jalil to press for a responsible investigation and a careful and inclusive approach to creating a new executive
council
Early August -- HRC secures written pledges from the TNC to an inclusive, pluralistic democratic
transition.
She continues
to consult with European and Arab colleagues on the evolving situatiion
Top Pentagon officials and a senior Democrat in Congress so distrusted Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2011 march to war in Libya that they opened their own diplomatic channels with the Gadhafi regime in an effort to halt the escalating crisis, according to secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.
The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials’ unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence community’s concerns.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/
“You should see these internal State Department reports that are produced in the State Department that go out to the Congress.
They’re just full of stupid, stupid facts,” an American intermediary specifically dispatched by the Joint Chiefs of Staff told the Gadhafi regime in July 2011, saying the State Department was controlling what intelligence would be reported to U.S. officials.
Mr. Kucinich, who challenged Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, acknowledged that he undertook his own conversations with the Gadhafi regime.
He said he feared Mrs. Clinton was using emotion to sell a war against Libya that wasn’t warranted, and he wanted to get all the information he could to share with his congressional colleagues.
The tapes, reviewed by The Washington Times and authenticated by the participants, chronicle U.S. officials’ unfiltered conversations with Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s son and a top Libyan leader, including criticisms that Mrs. Clinton had developed tunnel vision and led the U.S. into an unnecessary war without adequately weighing the intelligence community’s concerns.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/
“You should see these internal State Department reports that are produced in the State Department that go out to the Congress.
They’re just full of stupid, stupid facts,” an American intermediary specifically dispatched by the Joint Chiefs of Staff told the Gadhafi regime in July 2011, saying the State Department was controlling what intelligence would be reported to U.S. officials.
Mr. Kucinich, who challenged Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, acknowledged that he undertook his own conversations with the Gadhafi regime.
He said he feared Mrs. Clinton was using emotion to sell a war against Libya that wasn’t warranted, and he wanted to get all the information he could to share with his congressional colleagues.
Mrs. Clinton was headstrong to enter the Libyan crisis, ignoring the Pentagon’s warnings that no U.S. interests were at stake and regional stability could be threatened. Instead, she relied heavily on the assurances of the Libyan rebels ...Mrs. Clinton met with Libyan rebel spokesman Mahmoud Jibril in the Paris Westin hotel in mid-March so she could vet the rebel cause to unseat Gadhafi. Forty-five minutes after speaking with Mr. Jibril, Mrs. Clinton was convinced that a military intervention was needed.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/hillary-clinton-undercut-on-libya-war-by-pentagon-/
...Poor Toby
It's been real special, just like you.Can you believe it's been 16 years to the day that we first met on Netscape?
Let's hold virtual hands to honor this precious anniversary...
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
The evidence is lacking,(you are lacking) an ability to show more then a superficial similarity of statement
from Trump .
The other day it was "Bernie did it"..then it was "US policy did it".
Lot's of people thought off the top of their heads that the Bengazi massacre ( that never happened) must be stopped. Most sane people would think that way.
Hell. I thought that way at first glance ( like Trump does here) until I started to examine the particulars.
But it was Clinton who went in full force after she knew Qadaffii was not massacring his own protestors.
It was Clinton who kept it up..don't believe me? check out her own state dept.
AND IT WAS CLINTON WHO REFUSED TO TAKE THE PHONE CALL FROM QADAFFI SON -at the last minute
that still could have stopped the madness
:0) I'm done with you ass-licker. I just wanted to demonstrate your amazing ignorance and what ass-licking looks like .. and I did just that.
Your ENTIRE political façade has been laid wide open. All your fucking whining about Clinton .. not a fucking word about Trump agreeing with her. You said nothing about it because you didn't know about it. You didn't know because you're ignorant.
All this other shit you've posted is about as worthless as you are and I didn't read a single word of that bullshit. A junior high school motherfucker pretending to know what you're talking about. The same dummy who just posted about how 'truthful' Trump is .. except he LIED about his support in doing exactly what Clinton did.
.. just as he's lied about everything else.End of story asshole.
Don't worry, I'm going to do this to you again. :0)
cancel2 2022
Canceled
:0) I'm done with you ass-licker. I just wanted to demonstrate your amazing ignorance and what ass-licking looks like .. and I did just that.
Your ENTIRE political façade has been laid wide open. All your fucking whining about Clinton .. not a fucking word about Trump agreeing with her. You said nothing about it because you didn't know about it. You didn't know because you're ignorant.
All this other shit you've posted is about as worthless as you are and I didn't read a single word of that bullshit. A junior high school motherfucker pretending to know what you're talking about. The same dummy who just posted about how 'truthful' Trump is .. except he LIED about his support in doing exactly what Clinton did.
End of story asshole.
Don't worry, I'm going to do this to you again. :0)
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Airstrip One
Completely Effed
This article from NR about the rise of the "tough guy right" seems tailor made for this thread:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445032/donald-trump-supporters-tough-guy-right-internet-debate
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445032/donald-trump-supporters-tough-guy-right-internet-debate
You just demonstrated you're stupid Toby- a sense of the senate vote by Bernie or an off hand remark by someone out of government can't come close to the bloodthirsty manipulations of HRClinton.:0) I'm done with you ass-licker. I just wanted to demonstrate your amazing ignorance and what ass-licking looks like .. and I did just that.
Your ENTIRE political façade has been laid wide open. All your fucking whining about Clinton .. not a fucking word about Trump agreeing with her. You said nothing about it because you didn't know about it. You didn't know because you're ignorant.
All this other shit you've posted is about as worthless as you are and I didn't read a single word of that bullshit. A junior high school motherfucker pretending to know what you're talking about. The same dummy who just posted about how 'truthful' Trump is .. except he LIED about his support in doing exactly what Clinton did.
End of story asshole.
Don't worry, I'm going to do this to you again. :0)
The whole world understands Bernie and Clinton are 2 different animals on interventionism - the same as Trump's policy as president is 100% different on Russia as Clinton's was during the campaign.
You simply are stuck with the fact you supported a war harpie like clinton-the woman who led us into the un-necessary war that wound up with dead sub-saharan's bodies littering it's shore line.to this very day.
That's you Toby. An avid supporter of a warmonger genocidal congenital liar.
It fits you perfectly- old black ass fool..
ROFL.. "Jane you ignorant slut."
I hate to break it to you,but nobody is interested in your establishment conservatism.
It's weak tea.It serves only the elitist plutocrats,and it succeeds at nothing when going up the mindless left.
It has no popular support outside some old establishment types who aren't interested in winning
anymore then Bill Kristol is interested in diversifying the "brand".
If you want to beat back the mindless militant left -you need popular support -because you ARE going up against the liberal press and the identity politics of the left -those are the herd mentality drivers to the polls.
ROFL "It's a raccoon" *militant left guy alarm bells go off*
"Black hole" is just for black people! I should fuck up all of your shit"
Oh lord that is hilarious - the militant black guy FIGHT THE POWER!
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Are you saying that the following are establishment values?
-Honesty & Integrity
-Courage
-Civic Virtue
-Fidelity
-Moderation
I could go on...
If that's the case, then you can keep your prole values of talkin tuff, and little else.
Those are moral values that are not partisan and certainly are not practiced by anyone in The Swamp.Are you saying that the following are establishment values?
-Honesty & Integrity
-Courage
-Civic Virtue
-Fidelity
-Moderation
I could go on...
If that's the case, then you can keep your prole values of talkin tuff, and little else.
They are admirable and worthy,unfortunately in modern America they have no base of support.
We're an ugly society
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
I'm sure you admire them deeply. But don't deflect with the Swamp Creatures. They are not practiced by a single Trumptard (person who supported him in the primaries), and you know it well. Look at the character of the Trumptards on this small forum, and tell me there is an ounce of character among them. What's the point of draining the current Swamp if we are just going to refill it with Trumpism, anyway? The current Swamp may actually turn out to be preferable.