The bombshell report that Russia can blackmail Trump, explained

Nomad said:
They may have ulterior motives.

As in... to do their best to help engineer Slump's victory, all the while planning to humiliate him and ruin said victory if their efforts came to fruition.

IOW, set him up just to knock him down. The ultimate strawman.

What better way to fuck with the American psyche and damage the people's faith and trust our system, while embarrassing the US in front of the rest of the world?

The Russians have their own way of looking at things.
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You're a loony!

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christiefan915 said:
... and the allegation that Obama's "real" father was Frank Marshall Davis, that Obama was best buds with Bill Ayers, that Obama is a secret Muslim, that he never attended Columbia Uni, that he never held a job in the private sector, blah blah blah.
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At least you admit this news is in the same category as those untrue allegations.
 
Nomad said:
You are a brainwashed idiot who obviously has a stiffy for Gayddafi.

Why don't you start another Libya thread and go hang out there exclusively, where you can blubber endlessly on and on about your homo erotic attraction to him and what a beautiful, wonderful man he was without nauseating everyone else?
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more worthless drivel.
you have no demonstrable knowledge of foreign policy/the middle east or just exactly why Libya was so FUBAR.
So you resort to worthless ad homs/drivel.
 
Nomad said:
Oh gee whiz.... a Republican Bush appointee who hardly anybody remembers figured out a way to rake in a few bucks parlaying his old job into an anti-Obama screed.

How novel.
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more worthless drivel

his book is spot on..not that I would expect you to comprehend anything he wrote. He's president of the Council on Foreign Relations
 
anatta said:
more worthless drivel.
you have no demonstrable knowledge of foreign policy/the middle east or just exactly why Libya was so FUBAR.
So you resort to worthless ad homs/drivel.
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Neither do you.

You just spout a lot of shit.
 
anatta said:
more worthless drivel

his book is spot on..not that I would expect you to comprehend anything he wrote. He's president of the Council on Foreign Relations
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He's a Republican Bush appointee with an ax to grind and a profit motive.

Guzzle that Kool Aid.
 
Originally Posted by Queen Snowflake
Russia is our friend? No wonder you love Trump. You should have seen Rubio grilling Tillerson, I don't think he thinks Russia is our friend.
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i saw a couple minutes on Saudi Arabia. Rubio resorted to the old saw "SA is a human rights abusers -agreed?"
Tillerson asked him what he meant -and Rubio trotted out "lashing" ( in truth it's mild caning that leaves no marks)
and "women can't drive"

Tillerson agreed -but pointed out the Kingdom has been making reforms. Not as quickly as we'dlike -but they are sending more and more students to foreign universities ( a good way to understand the west) - as well as some electoral reforms -like women holding office.

Rubio (being the stuck on stupid neocon he is) kept repeating " but they are human rights abusers - correct?

Tillerson shot back- " but they are reforming -slowly and in the right direction"
"What good does it do to label them? They may never get our values, but they are at least improving"
"Better for us to engage then to shun them"

Rubio said "Ok" and STFU
 
Nomad said:
He's a Republican Bush appointee with an ax to grind and a profit motive.
Guzzle that Kool Aid.
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he's actually knowlegable and capable of writing a book.
I'm not of fan of his revisionism about Libya " we should have re-built Libya"
when in fact there was never any chance we'd put boots on the ground for war or peace-
but he makes the case Obama's passivity breeds consequences just like Bush's invasions did.
 
anatta said:
he's actually knowlegable and capable of writing a book.
I'm not of fan of his revisionism about Libya " we should have re-built Libya"
when in fact there was never any chance we'd put boots on the ground for war or peace-
but he makes the case Obama's passivity breeds consequences just like Bush's invasions did.
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Brilliant insight. It is all about balance.
 
anatta said:
he's actually knowlegable and capable of writing a book.
I'm not of fan of his revisionism about Libya " we should have re-built Libya"
when in fact there was never any chance we'd put boots on the ground for war or peace-
but he makes the case Obama's passivity breeds consequences just like Bush's invasions did.
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So in other words, no President has a perfect, error free foreign policy record and guys like him excel at second guessing after the fact, like you do.

Was he ever in the big boy's chair with ownership of the responsibility to make the call while having no way of knowing how any move he makes was likely to turn out?

No, he was not.

But when you weigh Obama's foreign policy errors on a scale next to the Bush FIASCO.... the biggest, most irresponsible and idiotic blunder in our nation's history... BAR NONE... they DON'T EVEN COMPARE.

Yet, where are you people on that?

Nowhere to be seen, that's where.
 
Nomad said:
So in other words, no President has a perfect, error free foreign policy record and guys like him excel at second guessing after the fact, like you do.

Was he ever in the big boy's chair with ownership of the responsibility to make the call while having no way of knowing how any move he makes was likely to turn out?

No, he was not.

But when you weigh Obama's foreign policy errors on a scale next to the Bush FIASCO.... the biggest, most irresponsible and idiotic blunder in our nation's history... BAR NONE... they DON'T EVEN COMPARE.

Yet, where are you people on that?

Nowhere to be seen, that's where.
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except I didn't "2nd guess" Libya. I saw that disaster coming in 2011
and I saw the militia rule in the 2014 civil war that led to Libya today's failed terrorist state.

I saw the same on Iraq -many of us did even with the "yellow ribbon fever"
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The fact of inactions also carries a price; as Haas and my previous posts show.
Iranian expansionism,and alliance with Russia etc. are the fruits of Obama's decisions

I agree with you that Iraq was the grand FUBAR -but Obama's silly timetable escalation/withdrawal in Afgh
also carries a price.

In short Obama really has no foreign policy successes to point to - only not screwing up as bad as Iraq as his "success"
 
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