Maybe a conservative can explain, the Repiblicans are going to "repeal" the ACA,

I'm not calling for any bans...just pointing out why we're such an unhealthy nation. I don't consume any of the poisons I've previously listed, and I'm in excellent health/shape....and I'm old as dirt.

I guess you'd have to define 'better'. We have machines that tell employees how much change to give the customer. It's quicker, and cuts down on losses. Do you think that makes our society 'better', with adults who cannot do 3rd grade math?

I blame our government schools.

The tech just allows people who can't do math to run a cash register, speeds up the check out process, and limits mistakes.
 
This is showing your lack of education. This is not teaching.

Teach me how the Venezuelan government is benefitting it's people. Or better yet, stay in the US. Where do you think the US government gets it's money?

HINT: Taxes.

Fuck you and your bullshit attempted diversion.

Yeah, taxes, dumbshit. Do you really think what one person pays in taxes completely pays for the roads they drive on, the teachers that their kids are taught by, the value of police, fire, and the criminal justice system? The food, drugs and cosmetics that they buy? Clean water? Public health?

If you do, you're a delusional and naive moron.
 
" The number of companies insuring their employees went up. " Wm #99

That's the problem.

- Earth's economies are globalizing.

- Products produced in Kentucky compete with products produced in Bavaria.

BUT !!

An SUV built in a nation w/ single-payer healthcare costs $Thousands $less than a comparable SUV built in the U.S.

Why?

Because in the U.S. we have to tack on $thousands more to cover the health care costs of those that build it.

“The business of America is business,” President Coolidge

We succeed as a nation and People when we compete in the marketplace and win.

Employer provided health care put US at a disadvantage.

Obama / ACA tried to fix that. But Republicans prefer US to be at a disadvantage in the globalized market.
 
Yes if you had a Cadillac plan which we did, he targeted them punishing those that always had insurance. Any bad luck that befalls Obama, Pelosi, and Reid is well deserved. Hillary got hers last November.

Nonsense. You were NOT targeted for having a good plan.
 
Fuck you and your bullshit attempted diversion.

Yeah, taxes, dumbshit. Do you really think what one person pays in taxes completely pays for the roads they drive on, the teachers that their kids are taught by, the value of police, fire, and the criminal justice system? The food, drugs and cosmetics that they buy? Clean water? Public health?

If you do, you're a delusional and naive moron.

The roads are for everyone to use. The U.S. military is for everyone's protection.

What socialists democrats like to do is carve out special robber baron give aways for "special" people. Not everyone. Typically the dollars are funneled into their favorite corps like Walmart and Giant grocers, as well as landlords, and also used to buy votes.
 
"What socialists democrats like to do is carve out special robber baron give aways for "special" people. Not everyone." Bd #107

It's President Elect Trump that's the crony capitalist. Weeks before the inauguration and he's already made special exception for reportedly fewer than 1,000 workers.
 
"What socialists democrats like to do is carve out special robber baron give aways for "special" people. Not everyone." Bd #107

It's President Elect Trump that's the crony capitalist. Weeks before the inauguration and he's already made special exception for reportedly fewer than 1,000 workers.

Prove it.

President elect Trump doesn't have the power to make law.
 
shouldn't we be smart enough to ignore most advertising or know that some things are bad for us?
You're kidding, right? Advertising targets the dumbest among us. If the govt really wanted a healthier society, they'd have public service messages about the ills of consuming many of the things we see on the t.v daily.

Look at how people fought to let their kids eat shitty school lunches.
 
The cost of health care is not rising like was projected by Republicans. It just hasn't turned out that way. You have to remember that health care costs were already raising rapidly.

Beyond that, the ACA doesn't have the features that were specifically planned for cost reduction. They were cut. If you were interested in health care cost reduction, you should have promoted that those be added.

Instead, Repos whine, but have consistently blocked making these changes - or proposing their own.

And, NO, you are just wrong about thinking that anyone can buy insurance.

I already pointed that out, and you just keep making that claim with NO argument in your favor.
Ironically, those who think they support the repeal of the ACA overwhelmingly like the line by line items in the law. So what they want in reality, is Obama's name gone from the law.

Funny how they offer Romneycare as an alternative, not knowing a thing about either one
 
Bull. The number of companies insuring their employees went up.


And, what I'm saying is that it is a catastrophically irresponsible move to kill ANYTHING like our health care system, SS, Medicare, or anything else in which the government has a role without it coming as an installation of a replacement system.

I was never in favor of the ACA. I'm saying that just about every single American has coverage that will be affected significantly if we blow it away leaving nothing but a crater.

I'm just saying that dumping it without a clue about what will happen when EVERY AMERICAN has their current health care coverage dumped is unacceptably irresponsible.

We're talking about every working family in America.


This is NOT conservatism. It is the kind of radical garbage that we should not allow to happen.
Repeal was just a talking point. They cannot simply dump ACA. Once they set out to find a way to craft their own special plan, they'll find that it isn't possible without many of the aspects of the ACA being kept
 
I blame our government schools.

The tech just allows people who can't do math to run a cash register, speeds up the check out process, and limits mistakes.
It starts in the home. Any kid who cannot do simple math in their head, didn't have parents who cared enough to make sure they could. Sure...many can do it on paper. Running a register requires one to do it in their head, and do it quickly.

It's not hard to teach.
 
" The number of companies insuring their employees went up. " Wm #99

That's the problem.

- Earth's economies are globalizing.

- Products produced in Kentucky compete with products produced in Bavaria.

BUT !!

An SUV built in a nation w/ single-payer healthcare costs $Thousands $less than a comparable SUV built in the U.S.

Why?

Because in the U.S. we have to tack on $thousands more to cover the health care costs of those that build it.

“The business of America is business,” President Coolidge

We succeed as a nation and People when we compete in the marketplace and win.

Employer provided health care put US at a disadvantage.

Obama / ACA tried to fix that. But Republicans prefer US to be at a disadvantage in the globalized market.
Yes, but employer provided health insurance was a plot to keep wages down. Now that insurance costs so much, it's equal to quite a bump in pay. Removing that would be replaced by higher salary, so it's almost a wash w/respect to cost of providing goods/services.
 
It starts in the home. Any kid who cannot do simple math in their head, didn't have parents who cared enough to make sure they could. Sure...many can do it on paper. Running a register requires one to do it in their head, and do it quickly.

It's not hard to teach.

I have plenty of experience running old timey registers, so I know exactly what you're saying. And if the electricity went out, you popped a crank handle in the side and kept ringing up customers ... and you could still accept credit cards with the old paper form, slide machines when the power went out. Unlike today where business comes to a dead halt.

I've also tutored math to jr. high students and at college. I blame the teachers. Unlike parents, they acutally get paid by taxpayer to teach the kids. Teachers are the professionals. And parents not being able to help their kids with the "new math" (or any math) is so prevalent, it has become a staple in many sitcom skits.

Teachers LET, what seems like 90% of kids, graduate HS without ever having memorized their multiplication tables.
 
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Yes, but employer provided health insurance was a plot to keep wages down. Now that insurance costs so much, it's equal to quite a bump in pay. Removing that would be replaced by higher salary, so it's almost a wash w/respect to cost of providing goods/services.

Employers avoid paying a lot of payroll taxes by offering insurance benefits as part of a pay package. And many people won't leave a BAD job for fear of losing their health insurance, so it's also a way for employers to "trap" workers in a job.
 
Really? http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/21/reco...regov-for-2017-health-insurance-coverage.html
Record number of Obamacare sign-ups on HealthCare.gov for 2017 health insurance coverage

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Wednesday, 21 Dec 2016 | 3:30 PM ET

This has nothing to do with my comment. You said Americans overwhelmingly want to keep the ACA, I doubt that because I know too many people who have been hurt by it. You posted an article about signups. People signing up for something which is mandatory is not in any way an indicator of popularity.


If you are starting a brand new program, and forcing insurers to cover pre existing conditions, offer pages of screenings at no extra cost, and telling them that they cannot deny anyone, you have to guarantee funding against losses for the first few years. That's what the risk corridor program did, as it has been doing for Medicare for decades.

Brand new has nothing to do with it. I know the risk corridor scheme was sold as being temporary but it can't be. The problems you named aren't going to change or go away and as you pointed out Medicare has been doing it for decades...because they have to. The key difference here is the federal government has the ability to do things insurance companies can't do as far as negotiating lower costs. It would have been a lot cheaper to just put the uninsured on Medicare and that wouldn't have negatively impacted 300 million other Americans.

See above. You cannot cite ACA as 'crumbling'...as many on the Right love to do....without mention of the removal of risk corridor funding. It was done by design, to kill the law for political purposes. It isn't a horrible law. It was a foundation that could have been built upon by now, if not for an inept Congress.

It is a horrible law. It increased demand without increasing supply, among other things but that right there makes it a bad law. This whole thing has been political from the very beginning, all of it.

Many on the Right only offer 'sales across state lines' as their answer to ACA. I am confused as to why they believe an insurer would enter a market with cheaper rates than local risk would require? I wasn't agreeing/disagreeing with the concept, but that was the only suggestion trump made during the entire election season. I think that's the first move they should make, and prove trump wrong.

Many on the right, and the left, are economically illiterate. I don't blame Trump for being vague on this, I'm sure he wasn't positive about how the GOP Congress would want to handle this. The argument I always hear on this is increased competition. I don't agree with them, The ACA focuses on cooperation not competition and the insurance industry doesn't operate the same way other industries operate anyway. An alternative method of funding outside of the insurance industry would lower premiums or break the ACA, one of the two but that isn't happening as long as we have the mandate.

At least they gave up on TORT reform as being the only thing necessary to lower premium costs. That was idiotic

I don't think that would lower premium costs at all either.
 
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