'The separating families" argument. Against Deportation

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Man libs and illegal aliens have long argued that deportation will separate their families, and said a dad or mom back to their homeland.

Thus arguing that even though the relatives acts were illegal and against our National laws, it should be overlooked because they have family here... (Idiotic).

But let's take the argument on. If they are so worried about being separated from this family member, then the solution is very simple. Move back with them. If you can't bear to be separated from this person, then go back with them to their homeland. Work on restoring order and making your home country better.
 
"Thus arguing that even though the relatives acts were illegal and against our National laws, it should be overlooked because they have family here... (Idiotic)." I #1
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Whatever you say.

BUT !!

It's the Republicans that have long claimed to be the "family values" party.
If they value families, why would they break them up?
Children born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. So they want to deport the parents? Orphaning their U.S. citizen children?
“You claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate”. President Obama commenting on the Republican party's nomination of Donald Trump (during headline news of Trump boasting about inappropriate behavior w/ women) FOX / Google 16/10/13
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sear said:
Whatever you say.

BUT !!

It's the Republicans that have long claimed to be the "family values" party.
If they value families, why would they break them up?
Children born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. So they want to deport the parents? Orphaning their U.S. citizen children?
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Get me the fuck out lawbreaker
 
we should probably frame the argument constitutionally. I think equal protection would be a good argument. If we decline to prosecute because of the damage it would do to families then other people who have broken the law should be entitled to that same protection as well. Which means it would not matter if you commit robbery or murder or anything else as long as you have an "anchor family" you cannot be prosecuted.
 
tsuke said:
off hand none. The US offers the greatest rewards for illegal immigration while providing the least defense.
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I can't find any other nation either......:dunno:

It has become a racket for many...Feds Raid California 'Maternity Hotels' for Birth Tourists

Southern California apartment complexes that doubled as "maternity hotels" for Chinese women who want made-in-America babies were raided early Tuesday, capping an unprecedented federal sting operation, officials said.

NBC News was on the scene as Homeland Security agents swept into The Carlyle, a luxury property in Irvine, California, which housed pregnant women and new moms who allegedly forked over $40,000 to $80,000 to give birth in the United States.

"I am doing this for the education of the next generation," one of the women told NBC News.

None of the women were arrested; they are being treated as material witnesses, and paramedics were on hand in case any of them went into labor during the sweep.

Instead, the investigation was aimed at ringleaders who pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars tax-free to help Chinese nationals obtain visas and then pamper them until they delivered in an American hospital at a discount, court papers show.

"It's not necessarily illegal to come here to have the baby, but if you lie about your reasons for coming here, that's visa fraud," said Claude Arnold, special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations for Los Angeles.

All told, the feds raided 20 locations in Los Angeles, Orange and San Bernardino counties, targeting three competing birth tourism schemes, officials said. The suspected operators have not been charged but are being questioned.

The organizers who allegedly ran the Carlyle site, Chao Chen and Dong Li, used a website to drum up business, touting the benefits of a child with U.S. citizenship: 13 years of free education, low-cost college financial aid, less pollution, and a path for the entire family to emigrate when the child becomes an adult.
 
Irish said:
Man libs and illegal aliens have long argued that deportation will separate their families, and said a dad or mom back to their homeland.

Thus arguing that even though the relatives acts were illegal and against our National laws, it should be overlooked because they have family here... (Idiotic).

But let's take the argument on. If they are so worried about being separated from this family member, then the solution is very simple. Move back with them. If you can't bear to be separated from this person, then go back with them to their homeland. Work on restoring order and making your home country better.
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easier said than done; our Founding Fathers had to come to America, first.
 
#15

An excellent malum prohibitum vs malum in se perspective.

malum prohibitum: wrong by prohibition

malum in se: evil; wrong by itself

These two legal principles have existed in human law for millennia.

They're "illegal" aliens because we say they are.
Straighten up the work visa issue, and we can have migrant workers harvesting our crops and keeping our food prices preposterously low for the foreseeable future.
 
sear said:
Whatever you say.

BUT !!

It's the Republicans that have long claimed to be the "family values" party.
If they value families, why would they break them up?
Children born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. So they want to deport the parents? Orphaning their U.S. citizen children?
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If they go back with them won't be orphaned nor broken up?
 
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