A great man died

Since there are those who think life in Cuba was so great, makes me wonder why they didn't go live there and work to make it even greater.??!! :dunno:
I think "the grass is greener......." has a lot to do with it. That and frustration maybe. America isn't perfect. There is racism and poverty. Neither can be blamed on one party or one demographic for sure. I think today's liberal colleges pump bullshit into these kids head and that has a lot to do with it. I think many minority leaders pump out bullshit non-stop just to line their own pockets (You listening Al Sharpton you POS)....then you get non-stop ideology from MSNBC, The View and yes Fox News....and you get one sided screwed bullshit perception. Unplug and experience America. You'll find it to be a fair place with good people. The extremes have found a pulpit on the internet and these "news shows". But they are the extreme minority of America. I would love to sit down with a person such as Rune and listen. Of course she would have to buy the beer. I would like to know what her real issues are and how we could best address them or not.
 
Nah...just two gentlemen having a mature conversation. This is how democracy works. Not fuck you leave. You speak then STFU and listen. IMHO anyway.

I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't mean to make it sound like a command. I should have simply asked him instead as in "Why do you continue to live in a country you hate, when you have the freedom to live elsewhere?"

It is ironic though.....lots of folks here are commanding others to do all sorts of things. Most are rather brief beginning with words like 'shut', 'go', 'F', etc.
 
I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't mean to make it sound like a command. I should have simply asked him instead as in "Why do you continue to live in a country you hate, when you have the freedom to live elsewhere?"

It is ironic though.....lots of folks here are commanding others to do all sorts of things. Most are rather brief beginning with words like 'shut', 'go', 'F', etc.
Shit no I totally understand where your coming from. Rise above the juvenile childish 3rd grad insults and take the high road man.
Be the adult in the conversation. Makes it tough on the children :)
 
Shit no I totally understand where your coming from. Rise above the juvenile childish 3rd grad insults and take the high road man.
Be the adult in the conversation. Makes it tough on the children :)

Actually, I just re-read my initial comment to BAC. I don't feel as though I was insulting him. Part of his "signature" is the word SOCIALIST. So, why indeed would a socialist not want to live in a socialist country? I was drawing the logical conclusion. If he himself says he's a socialist, it's not an insult to call him one. If I had wanted to insult him I would have called him an American.
 
Actually, I just re-read my initial comment to BAC. I don't feel as though I was insulting him. Part of his "signature" is the word SOCIALIST. So, why indeed would a socialist not want to live in a socialist country? I was drawing the logical conclusion. If he himself says he's a socialist, it's not an insult to call him one. If I had wanted to insult him I would have called him an American.
Good point friend.
 
Castro served a purpose for Cuba. It was a backward island run by oligarchs.Castro brought his own brutality -
but he also advanced peoples lives. He stayed around way too long, and Cuba now has to modernize.
But he did serve a purpose for the Cuban people who were basically servants to Batista.

Castro, under the auspices of bringing freedom to an oppressed society, brought an even more brutal regime, enriched himself and his family on the backs of Cubans, killed and tortured political enemies with his ruthless hired murderer Che Guevara, and brought such ruin to Cuba that people would drive their cars to the beach, disassemble them, then use the tubes and doors of the car to fashion a raft which they would then attempt to travel 80 miles over shark infested water to get away form the brutality.

Before Bautista, Cuba had a constitution that guaranteed rights to its citizens, Fidel was no solution to that problem, in 1959 he suspended elections and took over "in the name of the people"....
 
Castro, under the auspices of bringing freedom to an oppressed society, brought an even more brutal regime, enriched himself and his family on the backs of Cubans, killed and tortured political enemies with his ruthless hired murderer Che Guevara, and brought such ruin to Cuba that people would drive their cars to the beach, disassemble them, then use the tubes and doors of the car to fashion a raft which they would then attempt to travel 80 miles over shark infested water to get away form the brutality.

Before Bautista, Cuba had a constitution that guaranteed rights to its citizens, Fidel was no solution to that problem, in 1959 he suspended elections and took over "in the name of the people"....
isn't a lot of that due to the embargo, and the US abandoning Cuba as a natural trading partner? ( not arguing -asking).

Communism was still a relatively non-defunt ideology back then. Seizing power and giving it "to the people" was the Mao/Lenin idea.
I do agree Communism is destined to bring in it's own oligarchs- and castro certainly was that.

But on the whole....??
 
I completely agree.

Castro brought Cuba out of the dark ages of illiteracy, poor health, donkey shows, humiliation, and US and Mafia control.

Today, no donkey shows, Cuba has a higher literacy rate then the US, Cuba has world class health care which is free to all Cubans cradle to grave, and more doctors per capita then any nation on the planet.

Colonized Americans don't have a clue.

ROFLMAO

yeah that Cuban medical tourism was raging

Stupid commie propagandist that you are tries keep peddling those lies

ROFLMAO. good sambo
 
Castro, under the auspices of bringing freedom to an oppressed society, brought an even more brutal regime, enriched himself and his family on the backs of Cubans, killed and tortured political enemies with his ruthless hired murderer Che Guevara, and brought such ruin to Cuba that people would drive their cars to the beach, disassemble them, then use the tubes and doors of the car to fashion a raft which they would then attempt to travel 80 miles over shark infested water to get away form the brutality.

Before Bautista, Cuba had a constitution that guaranteed rights to its citizens, Fidel was no solution to that problem, in 1959 he suspended elections and took over "in the name of the people"....

Suspending the constitution is normal in times of war against a foreign enemy. Cuba was fighting for its survival against the US. It was an existential threat. Cuba has a right to exist, unlike what the right says (who only believe Israel has a right to exist).
 
When Fidel was so sick in 2006, did he trust his "world class first rate" local Cuban doctors to operate? No. He flew in Dr. Garcia Sabrido of Spain to get the job done. The doctor even flew in carrying medical equipment not available in Cuba. Dr. Sabrido wasn't even a surgeon with any specialized skills. He was simply a specialist in "general surgery."

Life's good at the top.
 
Suspending the constitution is normal in times of war against a foreign enemy. Cuba was fighting for its survival against the US. It was an existential threat. Cuba has a right to exist, unlike what the right says (who only believe Israel has a right to exist).

Bautista didn't suspend the constitution because "America".. Seriously? What do they teach people in history classes nowadays? Castro had a chance to create something awesome, unfortunately he chose to go a different direction that included brutality, torture, and murder.
 
isn't a lot of that due to the embargo, and the US abandoning Cuba as a natural trading partner? ( not arguing -asking).

Communism was still a relatively non-defunt ideology back then. Seizing power and giving it "to the people" was the Mao/Lenin idea.
I do agree Communism is destined to bring in it's own oligarchs- and castro certainly was that.

But on the whole....??

No. Many countries happily traded with Cuba. The failure was in centralizing the economy. Simply having America not trade with a nation isn't enough to produce failure at the epic level that communism provided for Cuba.

Imagine the complexity of a simple pizza, how much knowledge actually goes into it. From growing the grain, vegetables, making the cheese, etc to the recipe, manufacturing the ovens, building the buildings... If the government chose to run our restaurants all we'd have is the crappiest soup kitchens in the world.
 
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/fidel-castro-en/article117191708.html

Yet some of the “advances” require some context. For example, Havana rightfully boasted that its infant mortality rate for 2007 of 5.3 per 1,000 births was one of the world’s lowest. But figures from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show Cuba ranked 23rd in the world in 1960, and 27th in 2004. The CIA World Fact Book placed Cuba in 72nd place for 2013.

And the best medical care is available only to senior officials and dollar-paying foreigners, not ordinary Cubans, said Dr. Julio Cesar Alfonso, who practiced in Cuba from 1992 to ’99 and now lives in Miami. He cited the contrast between two hospitals where he worked, CIMEQ in Havana and a provincial hospital in the north-central city of Cárdenas.

CIMEQ, which treats many top Cuban officials and foreigners, has air conditioning and private suites, Alfonso said. Patients in Cárdenas, meanwhile, must bring their own bed sheets, and cots are lined one next to the other.

Alfonso also described chronic shortages of medical supplies in virtually all places that treat ordinary Cubans — again, not foreigners or senior officials. “Shortages go from simple aspirin to a wide range of antibiotics to medicines to deal with chronic illness.”

A 2007 report by Katherine Hirschfeld, a professor at the University of Oklahoma who spent several years in Cuba, said islanders have a dim view of their healthcare system, even though it’s free.

“After just a few months of research,” Hirschfeld wrote, “it became increasingly obvious that many Cubans did not appear to have a very positive view of the healthcare system. … A number of people complained to me informally that their doctors were unhelpful, that the best clinics and hospitals only served political elites and that scarce medical supplies were often stolen from hospitals and sold on the black market.”
 
"yeah that Cuban medical tourism was raging
Stupid commie propagandist that you are tries keep peddling those lies" #48
Not sure the motivation for the arrogant & somewhat ignorant derision.

Castro was a monster!
He murdered his political opponents.
He preached communist equality while he lived as a pampered elitist, as his people lived in squalor.

But we're kidding ourselves if we deny that Fidel Castro's regime had some positive affects.

In addition to a favorable life expectancy, education was one of Cuba's strong suits.

There is talent in Cuba, and some of that talent ended up with MD's.

Is the criterion of being classed a "stupid commie propagandist" simply telling the truth?
 
Yeah, Mexico has capitalism, and no one wants to flee there to come to the US. Cubans are economic migrants. That and Batista babies.

Mexico has no real middle class, because it government is corrupt. You know nothing of the world, and obviously are defending a liberal academic perspective of what happens in other countries.
 
#57

OK JC
I defer to you 100% on multiple levels:
- I've never been to Mexico.
- I don't have a university degree in economics.

BUT !!

I am a trained scientist. And I assure you of the following:

a) Wealth is substantially quantifiable. You and I each have a "net worth".

b) On this basis of quantification, there is a person or small group of persons in Mexico that are the poorest.

c) At the opposite end of that wealth spectrum there is one, or a few that are the wealthiest in Mexico.

BUT !!

d) Most of Mexico's population are outside of those two extremes.
"Mexico has no real middle class"
So it's a "fake" middle class?
"because it government is corrupt."
What government isn't?
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Liar in Chief U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003
 
I'm afraid that nobody except the bought Noise-Machine operators like Murdoch does other than ignore the nonsense Americans talk about the matter, particularly now you've elected a drivelling fascist. During President Castro's time, Cuba has hugely improved. Can any of you say the same about the USA?
 
I'm afraid that nobody except the bought Noise-Machine operators like Murdoch does other than ignore the nonsense Americans talk about the matter, particularly now you've elected a drivelling fascist. During President Castro's time, Cuba has hugely improved. Can any of you say the same about the USA?

Uh, yeah, we've come a long way since 1959, Taffy. Wales is still the same old shithole, though. One thing that never improved in Cuba, of course, was that the people never gained liberty. That may mean nothing to a Marxist, such as yourself, who believes every country should emulate the actions of Castro and Guevara, but, in the US, that's kind of a big deal.
 
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