ID laws halted becuase they are racist

[Althea]

I believe that every adult American citizen has the right to vote and that in order to make sure it's an American citizen voting and to make sure that people are voting in the area and state that they actuallly live in so that they have proper representation for their city, county, and state that there should be a valid state issued ID shown at the time of voting proving residency.

Do you think that states should supply any type of ID they require, if it isn't something that has been readily accepted for years?

 

[Althea]

You were the one that said many and when challenged on the point, you were unable to offer what you meant by many; but now that I've presented information that addresses the issue, you want to use my information to bolster your claim.

Actually, you proved my claim. I felt no need to substantiate it. It's true. I said 'many', and you've shown that 50% of the nation requires a permit to carry in public. I think 50% qualifies as 'many'.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Actually, you proved my claim. I felt no need to substantiate it. It's true. I said 'many', and you've shown that 50% of the nation requires a permit to carry in public. I think 50% qualifies as 'many'.

not quite. 30 states allow open carry of a handgun without a permit.

 

[Althea]

not quite. 30 states allow open carry of a handgun without a permit.

Also very nice, but not applicable to this discussion.

But...why do you change the parameters from 'carry', to 'open carry' just to make a point that isn't applicable?

 

[evince]

how can anyone who calls themselves an American defend a party that would do this

how sad

 

[evince]

Actually, you proved my claim. I felt no need to substantiate it. It's true. I said 'many', and you've shown that 50% of the nation requires a permit to carry in public. I think 50% qualifies as 'many'.

hes a liar

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Also very nice, but not applicable to this discussion.

the discussion is about racism as applied to ID laws. this is being addressed because you have been adamant about people needing ID/licenses to carry a handgun as a privilege.

But...why do you change the parameters from 'carry', to 'open carry' just to make a point that isn't applicable?

do you really need the discernment? carrying is carrying, whether its open or concealed.

 

[Althea]

hes a liar

To think this all started because one of these nutters tried to conflate the issue of voting/ID, to owning a gun/ID.

I simply stated that one is a right, and one is a privilege. After that, they all went nuts.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

how can anyone who calls themselves an American defend a party that would do this

how can anyone who calls themselves an american defend the criminal corruption and complete ineptness of hillary clinton?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

To think this all started because one of these nutters tried to conflate the issue of voting/ID, to owning a gun/ID.

I simply stated that one is a right, and one is a privilege. After that, they all went nuts.

because you made yourself WRONG on two accounts. the subject matter is ID laws being racist, and then you went on to call a RIGHT, a privilege.

 

[Althea]

the discussion is about racism as applied to ID laws. this is being addressed because you have been adamant about people needing ID/licenses to carry a handgun as a privilege.

Correct about the voting ID, wrong about the privilege of carrying a gun. I merely taught the person who made the claim that the 2nd gives everyone the right to carry a gun, that they were wrong.

do you really need the discernment? carrying is carrying, whether its open or concealed.

The law does not agree with you

 

[Althea]

because you made yourself WRONG on two accounts. the subject matter is ID laws being racist, and then you went on to call a RIGHT, a privilege.

Voting is a right. Carrying a concealed gun is a privilege in half of the country. You can move to a different state and still have the right to vote. You cannot move to a state that requires a permit to carry, and abuse the privilege.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Correct about the voting ID, wrong about the privilege of carrying a gun. I merely taught the person who made the claim that the 2nd gives everyone the right to carry a gun, that they were wrong.

you are still wrong on the two counts. just admit it.

The law does not agree with you

well now you're just being ignorant. how is one form of carry 'carrying', but the other form of carrying isn't 'carrying'?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Voting is a right. Carrying a concealed gun is a privilege in half of the country. You can move to a different state and still have the right to vote. You cannot move to a state that requires a permit to carry, and abuse the privilege.

so 'open carry' isn't really carrying? if you'll peruse my comments in this entire thread, you'll see that I made NO reference to a specific form of carry, just carry in general.

 

[Althea]

you are still wrong on the two counts. just admit it.


well now you're just being ignorant. how is one form of carry 'carrying', but the other form of carrying isn't 'carrying'?

Try it in a state that requires a permit, and find out.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Try it in a state that requires a permit, and find out.

and I told you before, it's now being challenged in TX, as well as a couple of other states. the courts are going to have to come to understand that the 2nd Amendment damn sure means they cannot infringe on carrying.

 

[Althea]

so 'open carry' isn't really carrying? if you'll peruse my comments in this entire thread, you'll see that I made NO reference to a specific form of carry, just carry in general.

We aren't talking about your comments in this thread. You are one of a couple who tried unsuccessfully to dispute my claim in post #152

 

[Althea]

and I told you before, it's now being challenged in TX, as well as a couple of other states. the courts are going to have to come to understand that the 2nd Amendment damn sure means they cannot infringe on carrying.

That's all very nice. So during the challenge, all applicable laws stand.

Contrast that with the racist voter suppression laws that were struck down across the nation.

 

[Stretch]

Every state has a Constitution.

I'm in Florida which says...........

(from the NRA website)

STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION - Article 1, Section 8.

“(a) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law. (b) There shall be a mandatory period of three days, excluding weekends and legal holidays, between the purchase and delivery at retail of any handgun. For the purposes of this section, “purchase” means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration to the retailer, and “handgun” means a firearm capable of being carried and used by one hand, such as a pistol or revolver. Holders of a concealed weapon permit as prescribed in Florida law shall not be subject to the provisions of this paragraph. (c) . . . anyone violating the provisions of subsection (b) shall be guilty of a felony. (d) This restriction shall not apply to a trade in of another handgun.” Article 1, Section 8.

The legislature of the State of Florida, in a declaration of policy incorporated in its “Weapons and Firearms” statute, recognizes that adult citizens of the state retain their constitutional right to keep and bear firearms for hunting and sporting activities and for defense of self, family, home, and business and as collectibles.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

We aren't talking about your comments in this thread. You are one of a couple who tried unsuccessfully to dispute my claim in post #152

maybe you can logically explain how the government can take a right away from us and then sell it back to us with a license