Trump supporters and bigotry

Mott the Hoople

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Why are so many Trump supporters afraid to own the bigotry issue that threatening to split the GOP apart?

I'm not going to generalize that all Trump supporters are bigots but there is no arguing that a large percentage are and that Trump has used racism and xenophobia to mainstream bigotry into our current election cycle with a disturbing degree of success. The problem for Trump supporters who do not believe they are bigoted is one of guilt by association and cognitive dissonance with the core American value of pluralism.

A large percentage of the GOP are doing the right thing, which I think is courageous, by distancing themselves from the Trump movement and declaring by doing so that the Trump movement does not represent their values. I give high marks to Cawacko for taking such a stand.

To be fair Trump has championed issues that concern many working class Americans but he has done so in a highly irresponsible manner. He has used the racial resentments of white working class to divide and conquer a major political party while pronouncing a populist message he can't backup and probably wouldn't try too if elected while mainstreaming the fringe elements of the GOP who hold beliefs that are decidedly un-American.

What are those un-American values? Obviously they are racism, nativism, anti-pluralism and religious intolerance.

In the long run maybe Trump has done the GOP a favor. He has given the GOP an opportunity to do the right thing. For years the GOP has tolerated and exploited these resentments to build a winning coalition but now, under Trump those sentiments have gone from the fringe of the party to front and center. The GOP has made a catastrophic strategic blunder and have been co-opted by a fringe they thought they could control but would tolerate with a wink and a nod. Now that fringe controls the national party.

So now the GOP has the opportunity to take a courageous stand by doing what they have challenged mainstream Muslims to do. To stand up and denounce the extremist in their midst and to do something about them. To not do so places the heart and soul of their political movement at risk because the GOP cannot long exist as a divided party. As Lincoln observed they will become one thing or the other.

The GOP will either be the party that champions traditional American values of family, faith, community, entrepreneurship and personal liberty or they will become the party of bigotry, nativism, intolerance and anti-pluralism.

It will not be party leaders who make this choice nor the timid souls who stand by the sidelines and hope for favorable outcomes but by those who are willing to go out and publicly engage and struggle for their vision of our nation. So the time is now for those members in the GOP who wish to preserve the good they have accomplished to stand up and fight against the forces Trump has unleashed or face irrelevancy and being consigned to the dustbin of history.

If ever the GOP has needed people like Cawacko who understand the traditional American conservative movement to stand up and denounce the regressive and reactionary forces unleashed by Trump the time is now for the fate of the GOP is in your hands.
 
Oh man, this is the same tired rhetoric that was used to belittle Brexiteers. 17 million Britons didn't buy it and thank God for that.

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You are not required to answer him or me but the question is, who do you see as leading the GOP? Someone like you, with your values or Trump and his supporters?

You cannot disagree that currently the Republican party is a house divided and that this situation cannot long endure.
 
You are not required to answer him or me but the question is, who do you see as leading the GOP? Someone like you, with your values or Trump and his supporters?

You cannot disagree that currently the Republican party is a house divided and that this situation cannot long endure.

The party is a shit show right now, I've said that numerous times on here. But in the same way it's pointless to get into a discussion with Legion, Jarod is not all that far behind him.
 
You are not required to answer him or me but the question is, who do you see as leading the GOP? Someone like you, with your values or Trump and his supporters?

You cannot disagree that currently the Republican party is a house divided and that this situation cannot long endure.

There was a good discussion between bill kristol & Charles Murray & part of it Murray says ppl like kristol will probably need to find a new party or start another as their party has been taken over by the angry & disenchanted looking for someone to save them & fulfill what they believe is their birth-rite, what has been promised them etc...
 
The party is a shit show right now, I've said that numerous times on here. But in the same way it's pointless to get into a discussion with Legion, Jarod is not all that far behind him.
I hear what you are saying and I understand your point but that doesn't answer my question. You don't owe an answer to those who are inimical on a partisan basis to your political affiliation.

It is a valid question though which, if you are really concerned about the long term prospects for the GOP as a major political party, which you cannot avoid. Someone is going to have to take a stand if the Trump faction is going to be stopped from dominating the party, if you see my point?
 
There was a good discussion between bill kristol & Charles Murray & part of it Murray says ppl like kristol will probably need to find a new party or start another as their party has been taken over by the angry & disenchanted looking for someone to save them & fulfill what they believe is their birth-rite, what has been promised them etc...

Isn't most of the deplorable demographic going to die off soon?
 
There was a good discussion between bill kristol & Charles Murray & part of it Murray says ppl like kristol will probably need to find a new party or start another as their party has been taken over by the angry & disenchanted looking for someone to save them & fulfill what they believe is their birth-rite, what has been promised them etc...
Ideologues like Kristol have played a significant role in creating the current mess the GOP is embroiled in. Kristol can join in or create any party he wants but if the GOP wants to survive as a major party ideologues like Kristol cannot be the ones to lead the party for the obvious reason.
 
Looking at the Senate polls, it's becoming more possible the Dem's won't take over.
That would be amazing, and evidence all this down ticket talk is just establishment panic.

Trump is looking more and more like a winning candidate - or at least much more competitive then the establishment painted him
The Dem'sstillhave an advantage-now that Virginia is a blue state -but Trump could easily take Ohio and florida (as of today)

as to the deplorabes -how many times does Trump need to disavow Duke?
He's got a nationalist agenda an it;'s resonating
 
Republicans who spent some time in the wilderness are returning to their tribe's camp — spurred to it by the idea of a Clinton presidency. In a way what we are seeing in this most unorthodox of races is a return to the polarized normal we've grown used to since the 2000 election ushered it in.

The image of a Clinton presidency — and what that would mean — has been front and center over these past few weeks. From the release of the FBI report produced by the investigation into her private email server to her stumbling incident at a Sept. 11 memorial service over the weekend, Clinton has had a run of bad press. (That's not to mention stories like Aetna pulling out of Obamacare exchanges or President Obama upping the number of Syrian refugees we allow to immigrate to the United States — developments that will confirm for some that Trump's most dire warnings about the future may not be so far-fetched.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-trump-has-all-the-momentum-in-the-2016-race/
 
Why are so many Trump supporters afraid to own the bigotry issue that threatening to split the GOP apart?

probably for the same reason liberals are afraid to own the fact their own bigotry is any different from that of the Trump supporters.......its called human nature, and except for the liberals who are no longer human it effects everyone.........
 
You are not required to answer him or me but the question is, who do you see as leading the GOP? Someone like you, with your values or Trump and his supporters?

You cannot disagree that currently the Republican party is a house divided and that this situation cannot long endure.

Indeed it is. The GOP base rejected the Kristol wing of the party and hell-to-the-no on Obama's third term.

Trump phenomena, in one simple sentence.
 
probably for the same reason liberals are afraid to own the fact their own bigotry is any different from that of the Trump supporters.......its called human nature, and except for the liberals who are no longer human it effects everyone.........

This I agree with very much. Democrats and liberals seem to think there is very little bigotry on their own side. Democrats often practice a different kind of bigotry seen in places like zoning laws housing rules etc.
 
I hear what you are saying and I understand your point but that doesn't answer my question. You don't owe an answer to those who are inimical on a partisan basis to your political affiliation.

It is a valid question though which, if you are really concerned about the long term prospects for the GOP as a major political party, which you cannot avoid. Someone is going to have to take a stand if the Trump faction is going to be stopped from dominating the party, if you see my point?

I believe in free markets, free-trade, and for the most part the free movement of people. Limited government used to be a popular slogan among Republicans. It should never be used again because we have become a party of nationalism and big government populism. Republicans are just as reliance on the government as those they mock for being so. I'll still be a Republican but the days of Reagan are long gone. Today he would be considered an establishment, globalist, RINO.
 
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This I agree with very much. Democrats and liberals seem to think there is very little bigotry on their own side. Democrats often practice a different kind of bigotry seen in places like zoning laws housing rules etc.

There are defacto bigots on the democratic side. There are overt Bigots also, but not as many. The defacto bigots are those who don't realize they are exhibiting bigoted behavior but are. Its more subtle and subconscious. I think its a very small step better than the overt bigot, because at least these people see bigotry for what it is and acknowledge it is wrong.
 
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