49ers QB Colin Kaepernick refuses to stand for the national anthem

Darth Hussein Omar said:
Kaep lives in a country where anyone of any color can do or be anything they want, provided, they'll do like us supposedly privileged white folk do. In other words, if they work for it. And here comes the irony, he is living testimony to the fact. He's a whinner and a horrible example for young people.
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Yet you're a whiner living in the second-poorest state in the country.

Anyone can do anything to better themselves. How come you don't work for it?
 
Legion Troll said:
I have an anal fixation?

I'll understand if you can't explain.

You could always claim it was "sarcasm". That's what Trump does.
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Did you know that Istanbul is actually on two continents? Most of it is in Asia, but there's a piece of the city that is in Europe. Cool, huh?
 
Legion Troll said:
Is that so? Must have been very recently. Cite your source for that tidbit.

Kaepernick was baptized Methodist, confirmed Lutheran, and attended a Baptist church during his college years.

Kaepernick spoke about his faith saying, "My faith is the basis from where my game comes from. I’ve been very blessed to have the talent to play the game that I do and be successful at it. I think God guides me through every day and helps me take the right steps and has helped me to get to where I’m at. When I step on the field, I always say a prayer, say I am thankful to be able to wake up that morning and go out there and try to glorify the Lord with what I do on the field. I think if you go out and try to do that, no matter what you do on the field, you can be happy about what you did."

Kaepernick has multiple tattoos. His right arm features a scroll with the Bible verse Psalm 18:39 written on it. Tattooed under the scroll are praying hands with the phrase "To God The Glory" written on them. To the left of both the scroll and praying hands is the word "Faith" written vertically. His left arm features a Christian cross with the words "Heaven Sent" on it referring to Jesus. Written above and below the cross is the phrase "GOD WILL GUIDE ME". Written to the left and right of the cross is the Bible verse Psalm 27:3. His chest features the phrase "Against All Odds" and artwork around it that represents "inner strength, spiritual growth, and humility". His back features a mural of angels against demons.

Near the end of the 2012 NFL season, Kaepernick's signature touchdown celebration earned him a photo fad by his namesake, called "Kaepernicking". The signature touchdown pose involves flexing and kissing the bicep of his right arm. Kaepernick says he kisses his "Faith", "To God The Glory", and Psalm 18:39 tattoos and the reason he does the celebration is because "...it's my way of saying I don't really care what people think about my tattoos" and "God has brought me this far. He has laid out a phenomenal path for me. And I can't do anything but thank Him."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick
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https://theconservativetreehouse.co...lam-and-refuses-to-stand-for-national-anthem/
 
Thing1 said:
So, we're perfect then. No one should criticize the country, or try to improve it?

Got it.
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We'll never be perfect. I don't diss him for making a statement, just the manner in which he did. Flag burning and anthem sitting is over the top imo. You can disagree with the imperfections in this country without disrespecting it. Many men and women have sacrificed life and limb for Kaep's *privileges*.

He should do something positive and donate his time counseling troubled kids. But he chose to come off as a whinny butt.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
We'll never be perfect. I don't diss him for making a statement, just the manner in which he did. Flag burning and anthem sitting is over the top imo. You can disagree with the imperfections in this country without disrespecting it. Many men and women have sacrificed life and limb for Kaep's *privileges*. He should do something positive and donate his counseling troubled kids. But he chose to come off as a whinny butt.
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I guess you don't know much about his charity, being a West By God Virginian.

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Colin-Kaepernick-Continues-Charitable-Work-Hosts-Annual-Golf-Tournament-for-Camp-Taylor/1cc28479-7217-43e8-bd39-59090376bd71
 
midcan5 said:
How does one challenge the racism and bigotry so evident in America?
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You're nothing but a propagandist, the US is the least racist nation on earth we have a black President for fucks sakes, gfys, these people do not want equality, which they have, they want special treatment.
 
Thing1 said:
I think it's strange to tell someone that because they've made a lot of money, they should really just pipe down and be happy, and not try to express themselves with regard to problems that they see around them.
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He has the right to say whatever he wants we as fans of football and our country have the right to demand he be benched until his contract is terminated.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
We'll never be perfect. I don't diss him for making a statement, just the manner in which he did. Flag burning and anthem sitting is over the top imo. You can disagree with the imperfections in this country without disrespecting it. Many men and women have sacrificed life and limb for Kaep's *privileges*.

He should do something positive and donate his time counseling troubled kids. But he chose to come off as a whinny butt.
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I see.

So referrring to the president as:

Obungler, Obungle, Obummer, Obum, Odumdum, Odummy, Odumpster, Odumb. Obimbo, Obarfo, Oblahblah, Obysmal, Oblunder, Obozo, Obastard, Odismal, Obogus, Obrother, Oblowme, Obumbles, Ofungus, Ofoolish, Ofailure, Ofumbles, Ovomit, Ovulva, Odopey, Odrama, Obola, Obooba, Obarbie, Otrauma.

Or as:

Kid Zero, King Clueless, The Commander-in-Thief, Il Doofus, Il Douchebag, The Pantywaist-in-Chief, His Majesty, His Travesty, President Empty Chair, King Bamster, King Momjeans, The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers.

Or:

Ododo, Odildo, Odorkus, Odipshit, O’Carter, O’Chavez, O’Hitler, Onitwit, Ogolfer, Ogreedy, Ojackoff, Ojerka, Obonghit, Obigshit, Obonehead, Oburka, D’ohbama, Nobama, Blowbama, Onut, Obutthole, Obuttwipe, Obuttmunch, Obutt.

Isn't disrespecting the Country?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
We'll never be perfect. I don't diss him for making a statement, just the manner in which he did. Flag burning and anthem sitting is over the top imo. You can disagree with the imperfections in this country without disrespecting it. Many men and women have sacrificed life and limb for Kaep's *privileges*.

He should do something positive and donate his time counseling troubled kids. But he chose to come off as a whinny butt.
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So, people should only effect change by doing something "positive"?

No boycotts, no protests, no negative statements or commentary? When we see injustice, we should just do something personally about it, but not try to change anything politically or systemically?
 
Thing1 said:
I think it's strange to tell someone that because they've made a lot of money, they should really just pipe down and be happy, and not try to express themselves with regard to problems that they see around them.
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No one said that. I said it's odd that someone could hate a country as much as he hates the one that has treated him so well. I suppose it is easier for you though if you misrepresent what people said. It's a lot more work to refute the actual argument
 
Fake said:
No one said that. I said it's odd that someone could hate a country as much as he hates the one that has treated him so well. I suppose it is easier for you though if you misrepresent what people said. It's a lot more work to refute the actual argument
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Did he say he hates America?

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem
 
Legion Troll said:
Did he say he hates America?

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem
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Did you know the first country that allowed women to vote was New Zealand?
 
Zake said:
No one said that. I said it's odd that someone could hate a country as much as he hates the one that has treated him so well. I suppose it is easier for you though if you misrepresent what people said. It's a lot more work to refute the actual argument
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What he's saying is no different from what Trump is saying. The system is rigged, and a lot of people are on the short end of that, and he wants to see that addressed & improved.

It's no different. And it's what America is about. I always just shook my head at those attempts to make it unconstitutional to burn the flag. By banning that, they'd be making the flag stand for something very different than what the founders wanted America to be about.
 
Thing1 said:
What he's saying is no different from what Trump is saying. The system is rigged, and a lot of people are on the short end of that, and he wants to see that addressed & improved.

It's no different. And it's what America is about. I always just shook my head at those attempts to make it unconstitutional to burn the flag. By banning that, they'd be making the flag stand for something very different than what the founders wanted America to be about.
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I see, so you're calling on my support for Trump to see Kaepernick's point of view? Actually, I don't support Trump. And that is one of the reasons. No one person is the difference between America being great and not being great
 
Thing1 said:
What he's saying is no different from what Trump is saying. The system is rigged, and a lot of people are on the short end of that, and he wants to see that addressed & improved. It's no different. And it's what America is about. I always just shook my head at those attempts to make it unconstitutional to burn the flag. By banning that, they'd be making the flag stand for something very different than what the founders wanted America to be about.
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Colin should just shut up, I guess, because I hear there isn't much racism anymore. It's a non-issue, I'm told.

Fake said:
I don't think there's much racism on either side anymore. It's sad that the parties have to keep fighting about a non-issue when there are so many real issues to fight about. Sometimes I think that's why they want to fight about non-issues. Real issues are harder
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