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We've increasingly been bringing the federal government into education, and it shockingly hasn't been working.
20 years after welfare reform
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cawacko
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Why is it crazy?? I always find that odd considering that massive bureaucracies duplicated tens of thousands of times across the country. You know the school superintendents & their cozy staff bringing down the big bucks & laying off the teachers doing the work when times get tough etc etc etc
& then there is the good O' jim crow financing-pO' kids to pO' schools, rich kids to rich schools........
It's crazy because of we want more parental involvement it's not going to happen, in a good way, with someone in D.C. making decisions for our kids schools.
A one size fits all school model doesn't fit or work in the 21st century. We must tap into our country's creativity and knowledge power on finding ways to help struggling schools perform better and D.C. is not the place that's going to happen.
lol, like the model we have now is??
True, it will not happen in our life times but the system we have now is horrendous & no solution in site, & for the very reasons "you ppl" are always complaining about...
No, it's not just a.city problem but the cause us in far greater evidence there.
But what would you have any government do to get parents demand that their children take school seriously?
The best teacher in the world cannot make an unmotivated kid learn. There is not enough money to make it happen. God knows money has been tried and has always failed.
And we gave liberal thought to thank for this.
I've been talking about advanced education. Education post high school. Though during grade school, the Federal government should ensure reasonable distribution of State spending money so we don't end up with economically segregated education
Sure, I'd love to have everyone succeed, but I'm focusing on opportunity. Everyone should have access to continue their education after high school. Realistically, today, if you're not at least middle class, you don't. But we can't make people take advantage of the opportunity they have for sure.
If we give them that carrot of opportunity, I'm more willing to use the stick of eventually they will be cut off, welfare is not a lifetime gig. I have a lot harder time supporting cutting them off when they don't have real opportunity to advance through education though
cawacko
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Why have federalism then?
cawacko
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lol, like the model we have now is??
True, it will not happen in our life times but the system we have now is horrendous & no solution in site, & for the very reasons "you ppl" are always complaining about...
The current model needs to change but not towards one more federally controlled.
There are solutions out there. Charter schools are one example. By themselves they are not a panacea but they offer an alternative but people fight tooth and nail against them. The Bay Area has numerous charter like schools created by entrepreneurs that are attempting to transform education.
Steve Jobs was a Democrat which is neither here nor there but there's a great blurb in his biography written by Walter Isaccson where he was meeting with Obama and they were discussing education and Jobs got so fed up he finally told Obama all you do is give me reasons/excuses for why things can't change. It was a perfect example of why D.C. shouldn't be in charge.
We have a department of education, common core and government provides funding to State education. If you want to take that on, you have to take on the whole empire. I see a benefit in getting rid of Federal education interference completely. But keeping what we have while stopping them from doing one of the good things they can do seems backwards to me. States should have relatively equal funding of schools to provide equal opportunity
Perhaps obama should have just waved his hand & ordered it done??
See, that is the difference between ppl like Jobs, trumpf etc........ They give orders & ppl follow them, that aint how it works on the beltway........
cawacko
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Thats the point, if we rely on the federal gov't things won't get done. Hence the need for state and local control. Within that context there needs to be more flexibility and open mindedness to creative changes.
So they are exempt from the federal disease??
Some of the worst schools/districts in the state/in the country are right there in SF........
cawacko
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So they are exempt from the federal disease??
Some of the worst schools/districts in the state/in the country are right there in SF........
Why so many face palms? You happy with the status quo and think more federal involvement is all it will take to change things?
They do not lack for opportunity. They do not qualify for college if they drop out of high school. There is a stunning am out of scholarship money available and good students (typically with engaged parents) do go to college.
The issue is kids who will not work at their schooling and are the next generation of criminals or welfare drones.
There is no known cure for disengaged parents.
The things you are saying have validity, but you seem too quick to write it off as that and quit. The problem is too big and too important to do that. We end up with a permanent underclass.
I don't know if you read my profile, but I'm a statistician. I have a PhD in math, my focus was theoretical statistics. I could make a lot more money in pharmaceuticals, but I admit I work for a do gooder non-profit that consults to government. In first efforts, you are only going to influence a small percentage of the population. But as you pull over each generation a segment of the poor out of poverty, it has a larger and larger impact.
Let's say no one new is becoming impoverished for simplicity. Let's say we pull 5% of the people each decade out of poverty. In the 50 years since we started the "War on Poverty," We would have lowered poverty by 23%, now that would be huge. And if we could pull 10% of poverty each decade, over the same 50 years we would have lowered poverty by 41%.
We don't need to cure poverty overnight. We need real solutions and realistic expectations, and we need to stick to it
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No, of course not, but what you have now is extremely racist & some school districts should be teaching intro to prison instead of the four R's they're currently teaching-readin, ritten,rightmatic & rehab...
cawacko
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What is extremely racist?
Darth Omar
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Exactly. Ultimately, it's not a problem of government.
The way it is set up-poor going to poor schools, rich to rich schools....
cawacko
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What does that have to do with race? What you describe is class based.