It is Time To Drug Test Corporate and Religious Welfare Recipients

What is the economic argument behind raising them?

The reality: The Century Foundation found that the total amount of lost revenue by taxing capital gains at a lower rate than wages cost $256 billion between fiscal years 2012 and 2016, or $51 billion a year over the last 5 years.

The Perception: The poor and middle class see the rich getting a break on their taxes, while those lower on the economic ladder enjoy no such tax cut.
 
I am not surprised you refuse to discuss your thread topic and instead attack posters.

How is this welfare? Can you explain how tax cuts and tax exemptions are welfare? Are you actually claiming only the 1% get tax deductions or have tax exempt status?

Is Zappas not going to discuss this?
 
The reality: The Century Foundation found that the total amount of lost revenue by taxing capital gains at a lower rate than wages cost $256 billion between fiscal years 2012 and 2016, or $51 billion a year over the last 5 years.

The Perception: The poor and middle class see the rich getting a break on their taxes, while those lower on the economic ladder enjoy no such tax cut.

Here's an economic argument for why Cap Gains are taxed lower:


YES: It Makes Sense for Individuals—and the Economy


To many people, investment income should obviously be taxed at the same rate as labor income. After all, income is income, right?

But it’s not that simple. There are compelling reasons to treat capital gains differently than other earnings.

For one thing, taxes on investment earnings effectively double-tax that income. Labor income is taxed when it is earned, and investments are generally made out of after-tax earnings—so capital-gains levies represent another bite out of an investor’s money.

In effect, the system punishes those who put their money to work. Raising the capital-gains tax rate would just make the punishment that much more drastic.

This question doesn’t simply affect people who invest—it affects the entire economy. Investment capital is one of the most important drivers of economic growth, and the promise of big capital gains are an important inducement to get people to put money into critical but risky fields like biotechnology. If we want more inventions, or a faster cure for cancer, then we should have lower capital-gains taxes.

The Inflation Bite

Capital gains differ from regular income in another important way: They can be much harder hit by inflation, so they need a lower tax rate to reflect that fact.

Labor income is taxed as it is earned, so there’s no meaningful difference between your nominal and inflation-adjusted earnings. With a capital investment held over time, though, there can be a big difference between the nominal and real capital gain, with much of the nominal gain simply reflecting inflation.

Consider investors who bought an apartment building for $1 million. Assume they held the building for 20 years, over which time its value rose at the rate of inflation, say 2% annually.

In that case, there wouldn’t be a change in the real value of the building. After 20 years it would be worth more in dollar terms, but those dollars would have no more purchasing power than the $1 million originally invested.

Some say we can sidestep the inflation problem—and thereby justify higher taxes on capital gains—by indexing investments to inflation.

But this would further complicate our already complex tax system. You would have to keep track of not just each investment and sale, but also the consumer-price index the day each transaction occurred. Having taught economics for 34 years, I can assure you that even most college graduates are incapable of doing the math required to index their capital income.

What Works Best

Critics raise a number of other arguments for raising capital-gains rates. They say lower rates provide perverse incentives, spurring people to go into certain jobs that are driven by capital gains instead of doing more productive work. And, they argue, lower rates lead people to spend great time and effort on unproductive things like setting up tax shelters.

Yet, as we’ve seen, capital gains are a way to reward investors in crucial industries. Do we want to risk cutting off that supply of funds to keep some people from becoming, say, hedge-fund managers? If we want to eliminate tax shelters, meanwhile, we should tighten the tax code, not raise taxes on capital gains.

Then there’s an argument about fairness. A low capital-gains rate, critics say, defeats the idea of progressive taxation, since mostly wealthy individuals take advantage of the lower rate.

The best way to handle the situation is to aim for progressivity with respect to consumption—what people take out of society. Ultimately, my preference is for a system where assets can be shifted around within a 401(k)-type structure. That means investors would be able to move their money from one investment to another, without facing a tax liability until they actually withdrew the money and spent it. There should be no limits to contributions to these plans, and no restrictions on the date of withdrawal.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-should-capital-gains-be-taxed-1425271052
 
Lets start with corporate Agriculture Subsidies.

As Rana pointed out:

Farmers have learned to exploit the program by growing crops on land they know will be unproductive, then making money from insurance claims rather than crops. In 2011, 26 farmers each got an annual subsidy of $1 million, including one tomato farmer in Florida who got a $1.9 million subsidy.

i'm curious, not that I don't disagree with ending subsidies, but do you think that this will hurt joe the farmer worse than del monte the farmer? of does that matter at all?
 
i'm curious, not that I don't disagree with ending subsidies, but do you think that this will hurt joe the farmer worse than del monte the farmer? of does that matter at all?


I think doing away with farm subsidies might hurt a very VERY tiny minority of family owned farms, but we are wasting millions giving subsidies to corporate farms that don't need the help, and that problem needs to be addressed.
 
I think doing away with farm subsidies might hurt a very VERY tiny minority of family owned farms, but we are wasting millions giving subsidies to corporate farms that don't need the help, and that problem needs to be addressed.

If we are going to help anyone it should be the family farms, and not the corporate farms. I support the small businesses and the small industries who have to compete against the giants and I think my tax dollars should as well.
 
The congregation where I preach might be tax exempt but I pay taxes on what they pay me. A large percentage, IMO.

Are you employed as a minister, I thought their was a special clergy tax and they didn't take out SS and Medicare, am I mistaken?
 
Lets start with corporate Agriculture Subsidies.

As Rana pointed out:

Farmers have learned to exploit the program by growing crops on land they know will be unproductive, then making money from insurance claims rather than crops. In 2011, 26 farmers each got an annual subsidy of $1 million, including one tomato farmer in Florida who got a $1.9 million subsidy.

agricultural subsidies are available to all farmers who grow specific crops.....not just corporations and not just 26 farmers......
 
I think doing away with farm subsidies might hurt a very VERY tiny minority of family owned farms, but we are wasting millions giving subsidies to corporate farms that don't need the help, and that problem needs to be addressed.

you're wrong about family farms......simple solution is a cap on maximum subsidies......Bill objected to caps that would have excluded his contributors from Tyson Foods back in the 90s......do you think Hillary will treat them differently?.......
 
Are you employed as a minister, I thought their was a special clergy tax and they didn't take out SS and Medicare, am I mistaken?

For the way our congregation works it is. We are overseen by a group of men we call Elders who meet the qualifications found in I Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9. They pay my salary and I file taxes on it. I pay quarterly to the state and federal governments. In Oklahoma, I have to file as self employed. I don't like filling out the for so I let my wife do it. ;) only the stuff paid for by the congregation such as materials for classes and grape juice and Matzos and such are tax exempt. Also there is no property tax for them.
 
I never claimed otherwise.

Your point?

So said earlier that no rightie has problems with welfare for the top 1%. Unless I am mistaken there is no specific welfare laws that are for only the top one percent. (There are rules about being considered a 'certified investor' based on wealth but those were put in place to protect 'the little people' and I'm guessing that's not what you were referring to here.)
 
I am not surprised you refuse to discuss your thread topic and instead attack posters.

How is this welfare? Can you explain how tax cuts and tax exemptions are welfare? Are you actually claiming only the 1% get tax deductions or have tax exempt status?

Not surprisingly Zappas avoids discussion on the matter when he doesn't like the questions because he knows he is wrong, once again.
 
I never claimed otherwise.

Your point?

then why did you give agricultural subsidies as an example of "welfare for the rich"?.......if you didn't claim otherwise, then obviously you intentionally misrepresented the facts......or you simply aren't very smart.......which is it?.......
 
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