Maine Governor wants to stop EBT being used for candy/soft drinks

cawacko said:
I understand the argument you are making but our country isn't set up that way and will never be. So since what you are arguing will never happen the best way to lower costs, if that is your goal, is to reduce poor people from having kids. How are ways we can do that? Have them abort them if that is their desire or do everything we can to help them not get pregnant.
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At one time, not to long ago, it was set up that way so it can be that way.

If you aren't going to support people being required to support the kids they have, that only leaves one option and it involves ways to keep them from getting pregnant. If you continue to have kids you can't support, there are operations that can prevent pregnancy. If people are going to be human then demand others foot the bill, I have no problem with making it where they can't have any more.
 
CFM said:
That's not my goal. Like I said, I don't care how many kids you have as long as YOU, meaning the ones having them, support them.

My goal is to have those producing the kids support their kids.
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A worthy goal indeed but unfortunately not one that is ever going to happen. And the reality is there are people who can support their kids at birth but then run into financial difficulty later. In an imperfect world we will never have a time when the only people who have children are ones that can guarantee to support them for at least 18 years.

So knowing that we must tailor our system the best we can to help those in need while at the same time not setting up a system that economically incentivizes people to have more kids than they an afford.
 
CFM said:
At one time, not to long ago, it was set up that way so it can be that way.

If you aren't going to support people being required to support the kids they have, that only leaves one option and it involves ways to keep them from getting pregnant. If you continue to have kids you can't support, there are operations that can prevent pregnancy. If people are going to be human then demand others foot the bill, I have no problem with making it where they can't have any more.
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That's never going to happen. There will never be support for that.
 
cawacko said:
That's never going to happen. There will never be support for that.
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Those that would oppose it are the same ones that don't mind killing an innocent life because the woman couldn't keep her legs closed. I guess it's just one more hypocritical action on their part.

With what you support, I hope you don't expect people to ever make better decisions on this issue. When you give them choice after choice and force someone else to pay the cost when those choices produce results they can't afford, they don't do better because they don't have to.
 
cawacko said:
A worthy goal indeed but unfortunately not one that is ever going to happen. And the reality is there are people who can support their kids at birth but then run into financial difficulty later. In an imperfect world we will never have a time when the only people who have children are ones that can guarantee to support them for at least 18 years.

So knowing that we must tailor our system the best we can to help those in need while at the same time not setting up a system that economically incentivizes people to have more kids than they an afford.
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As long as people like you are willing to provide support and other things funded by others being forced to do so, economically incentivizing them is exactly what you're doing. You can't let people make choices that they can't afford, offset the costs by forcing someone else to do it, and expect them to do anything but what they're doing and that's having more kids.
 
CFM said:
Those that would oppose it are the same ones that don't mind killing an innocent life because the woman couldn't keep her legs closed. I guess it's just one more hypocritical action on their part.

With what you support, I hope you don't expect people to ever make better decisions on this issue. When you give them choice after choice and force someone else to pay the cost when those choices produce results they can't afford, they don't do better because they don't have to.
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This has nothing to do with me. This country will never eliminate welfare for needy people and have people just starving in the streets. It's not going to happen.

And you are saying women need to keep their legs closed. Do not some dudes need to man up and quit fvcking if they can't afford a kid?

People are going to have sex. God made us that way. So dealing in reality you do everything you can to help people from getting pregnant. And saying b*tch keep your legs closed ain't it
 
cawacko said:
This has nothing to do with me. This country will never eliminate welfare for needy people and have people just starving in the streets. It's not going to happen.

And you are saying women need to keep their legs closed. Do not some dudes need to man up and quit fvcking if they can't afford a kid?

People are going to have sex. God made us that way. So dealing in reality you do everything you can to help people from getting pregnant. And saying b*tch keep your legs closed ain't it
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If you support one group being forced to support another group that makes choices it can't afford, it does have to do with you.

I agree that the sperm donor should be the one to support his own kids. However, when it comes to those that are pro choice, they say it's the woman's body and ultimately her choice. That being said, I do support the sperm donor funding his own kids whether he made the choice for her to have them because he made the choice that produced them. The thing is that is rarely mentioned except as lip service by the bleeding hearts that support social welfare going to parent(s) that won't support their own. If those sperm donors did what they were supposed to do, this discussion wouldn't take place.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have sex. What I'm saying is if they choose to do so, don't expect others to fund the results when they can't. That's reality and as long as people like you are willing to support taxpayers funding what you make little to no effort to get the ones creating the kids to do, the bitch has not reason to keep her legs closed. Why should she. She doesn't incur the costs of not doing so. You'll support someone that didn't open their legs or put themselves in between her being forced to pay for her not meeting her responsibility.
 
CFM said:
So CPS is raising them or seeing that they get to a location where those that do raise them meet the responsibility that the ones producing them wouldn't meet?
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I don't have any numbers in front of me but I'm pretty sure not every kid in this country gets adopted and thus many get raised by our foster care system.
 
CFM said:
If you support one group being forced to support another group that makes choices it can't afford, it does have to do with you.

I agree that the sperm donor should be the one to support his own kids. However, when it comes to those that are pro choice, they say it's the woman's body and ultimately her choice. That being said, I do support the sperm donor funding his own kids whether he made the choice for her to have them because he made the choice that produced them. The thing is that is rarely mentioned except as lip service by the bleeding hearts that support social welfare going to parent(s) that won't support their own. If those sperm donors did what they were supposed to do, this discussion wouldn't take place.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have sex. What I'm saying is if they choose to do so, don't expect others to fund the results when they can't. That's reality and as long as people like you are willing to support taxpayers funding what you make little to no effort to get the ones creating the kids to do, the bitch has not reason to keep her legs closed. Why should she. She doesn't incur the costs of not doing so. You'll support someone that didn't open their legs or put themselves in between her being forced to pay for her not meeting her responsibility.
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Again, you are talking about changing the current system we have and that's not going to happen. Republicans have tried to make cuts before but they'll never eliminate food stamps and welfare.
 
cawacko said:
Again, you are talking about changing the current system we have and that's not going to happen. Republicans have tried to make cuts before but they'll never eliminate food stamps and welfare.
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Until people like you aren't willing to enable people to make decisions that you aren't willing to hold them accountable for making, those like you are at fault if it doesn't change. Blame yourself.
 
cawacko said:
You were talking about costs of poor children earlier. The cheapest way to have less poor children is for poor parents to be able to abort and to have better access to health care services to avoid getting pregnant. Again, we're talking about cost issues here. Because people who are poor who can't afford kids aren't going to stop having sex. That's just called being human.
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and killing the children they conceive is called being inhuman......
 
cawacko said:
I don't have any numbers in front of me but I'm pretty sure not every kid in this country gets adopted and thus many get raised by our foster care system.
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if the state does not terminate parental rights until the child is older or if the child demonstrates emotional instability because of child abuse it may be difficult to place the child for adoption......younger healthy children are easy to place........
 
cawacko said:
The discussion was about cost.
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You brought up abortion as a way to save money suggesting that I should either support it or funding of ways to prevent it by providing birth control. That means discussing something you mentioned related to cost doesn't cease to be about cost because someone else said something about it.
 
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