Gays coming over to the Dark Side on guns

[USFREEDOM911]

you'd be hard pressed to show more guns = less homicides. That's a nice correlation -but do you think other factors are more important?

AAnd look at the current years of (many) cities having record homicide rates -why is it spiking?

Then why aren't those "other factors" important, when considering why those cites are spiking?

 

[Celticguy]

I have seen alcohol make sane people crazy in the heat of the moment, guns and alcohol don't mix.

If you don't know who is carrying you will tend to be polite. It's not like there were shootouts every day in the wild wild west.

 

[anatta]

Then why aren't those "other factors" important, when considering why those cites are spiking?

I would think they are important. It's a complex discussion is all I'm mentioning here.

I do know Baltimore -being my hometown. O'Malley put in zero tolerance as mayor, and the rates dropped
But that was also due to nation crime rates dropping. so is that a correlation or cause?

This year ( at least) the cops are not pro-active after the Freddie Grey death.
Meaning they aren't looking to prevent homicide by community policing, or working more then what they see.
And the rates are decade record highs again ( per population).

Nobody has any difficulty getting guns in Baltimore - but that's not new either.

 

[Darth Omar]

Homicide rates are down 49% in the last 20 years whilst 130 million new guns were added to American's personal "arsenals" and the US population went up 46 million.

Homicide rates are at their lowest since the early 60's. For 2014 it was 4.5/100,000; ya gotta go back to 1963 to get near that (4.6/100,000) . . .

According to your feeling, how many hundreds of millions of more guns would we need to add to make the homicide rate go up?

Good way to put it.

If you step back and look at things, it's apparent most of the gun violence occurs in urban areas where people are already breaking existing gun laws. The lefts boogie man 'angry white men' aren't really a huge factor in gun crime. At least not in a per capita sense. Some JPP liberals struggle with that concept lol.

Death by mass shooting is a statistical odd ball but it's a politically-charged odd ball.

If you live in Chicago, the odds of getting killed by an illegal gun are nearly infinitely greater than getting killed in a mass shooting by a legally obtained gun.

But there's no political hay to be made out of looking at it that way.

 

[Legion Troll]

Homicide rates are down 49% in the last 20 years whilst 130 million new guns were added to American's personal "arsenals" and the US population went up 46 million. Homicide rates are at their lowest since the early 60's. For 2014 it was 4.5/100,000; ya gotta go back to 1963 to get near that (4.6/100,000) . . . According to your feeling, how many hundreds of millions of more guns would we need to add to make the homicide rate go up?

Can you share the source of these figures, please? Thanks!

 

[Legion Troll]

If you live in Chicago, the odds of getting killed by an illegal gun are nearly infinitely greater than getting killed in a mass shooting by a legally obtained gun. But there's no political hay to be made out of looking at it that way.

Yet you keep trying, lol.

 

[Legion Troll]

If you don't know who is carrying you will tend to be polite. It's not like there were shootouts every day in the wild wild west.

Doesn't America have more guns per capita than any nation in history today?

 

[Legion Troll]

Do you want the numbers that are just legal gun owners or do you want the ones by criminals included?

Aren't the vast majority of gun owners that shoot someone criminals?

How many people are injured in car accidents, every day?

Are you willing to apply the same requirements to your guns that are applied to cars?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Good way to put it.

If you step back and look at things, it's apparent most of the gun violence occurs in urban areas where people are already breaking existing gun laws. The lefts boogie man 'angry white men' aren't really a huge factor in gun crime. At least not in a per capita sense. Some JPP liberals struggle with that concept lol.

Death by mass shooting is a statistical odd ball but it's a politically-charged odd ball.

If you live in Chicago, the odds of getting killed by an illegal gun are nearly infinitely greater than getting killed in a mass shooting by a legally obtained gun.

But there's no political hay to be made out of looking at it that way.

Can you just once show some consistency?

If the left's bogeyman is the angry white man, the right's is the Muslim.

Please, Darth: what are the odds of getting killed by a Muslim in America? For everything you wrote above, you could insert "Muslim" and it would be just as valid. And yet you're here every single damned day talking about what an insane threat Muslims are to our existence.

By that logic, I have no problem whatsoever calling you a bigot. You're aware of the irrationality, but you don't apply it to your hate of Muslims.

 

[Legion Troll]

Gay shooter Omar is blissfully unaware of the inconsistencies he displays.

I'm certain of it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I would think they are important. It's a complex discussion is all I'm mentioning here.

I do know Baltimore -being my hometown. O'Malley put in zero tolerance as mayor, and the rates dropped
But that was also due to nation crime rates dropping. so is that a correlation or cause?

This year ( at least) the cops are not pro-active after the Freddie Grey death.
Meaning they aren't looking to prevent homicide by community policing, or working more then what they see.
And the rates are decade record highs again ( per population).

Nobody has any difficulty getting guns in Baltimore - but that's not new either.

I put the blame on lax enforcement and lax consequences.
If they hung a convicted killer, in the proverbial town square, is it possible that it may just change someone else's life choices?

 

[Darth Omar]

Can you just once show some consistency?

If the left's bogeyman is the angry white man, the right's is the Muslim.

Please, Darth: what are the odds of getting killed by a Muslim in America? For everything you wrote above, you could insert "Muslim" and it would be just as valid. And yet you're here every single damned day talking about what an insane threat Muslims are to our existence.

By that logic, I have no problem whatsoever calling you a bigot. You're aware of the irrationality, but you don't apply it to your hate of Muslims.

You're part of why you can't have a rational debate on this with the left. It's like you have to preface every comment regarding Islamic terrorism with #notallMuslims or youre a bigot. It's just annoying on a debate board but politicians are fearful of the label so they have to toe the line or pay for it at the voting booth.

And it's bullshit.

Per capita, Muslims stand a much greater chance of being terrorists than white males do. I'm sorry, they just do. Muslims comprise what, less than 5% of the total population. Us dangerous white guys comprise way higher, probably ten times higher.

Yet Muslim males are responsible for killing scores of innocent Americans over the past nine months. While the white male mass murders are on a hiatus.

The lefts problem is reality is politically incorrect.

 

[Legion Troll]

U mad?

 

[Mr.Badguy]

So you admit that guns are "the dark side"?

 

[Legion Troll]

So you admit that guns are "the dark side"?

He admits that he's gay, too. He wants Daddy Trump to be his big strong bear.

 

[Darth Omar]

So you admit that guns are "the dark side"?

Does the phrase 'tongue in cheek mean anything to you' lol?

 

[Mr.Badguy]

You're part of why you can't have a rational debate on this with the left. It's like you have to preface every comment regarding Islamic terrorism with #notallMuslims or youre a bigot. It's just annoying on a debate board but politicians are fearful of the label so they have to toe the line or pay for it at the voting booth.

And it's bullshit.

Per capita, Muslims stand a much greater chance of being terrorists than white males do. I'm sorry, they just do. Muslims comprise what, less than 5% of the total population. Us dangerous white guys comprise way higher, probably ten times higher.

Yet Muslim males are responsible for killing scores of innocent Americans over the past nine months. While the white male mass murders are on a hiatus.

The lefts problem is reality is politically incorrect.

Your argument here is a little flawed. While yes, the more recent "big news" terror attacks have been perpetrated by Muslims, you can't factor that as a percentage of the whole. You can't use "per capita" that way. What you can say is "if there is an attack, it's such-and-such percent more likely to have been committed by a Muslim male.

The way you describe it it's like average Joe Muslim on the street is -this- much more likely to be a terrorist. That's like seeing you on the street and saying you're -this much- more likely to be a pedophile because most arrests for pedophilia in America are for white males.

 

[Legion Troll]

Does the phrase 'tongue in cheek mean anything to you' lol?

Who knows where your tongue has been, or between whose cheeks, lol?

 

[Darth Omar]

Your argument here is a little flawed. While yes, the more recent "big news" terror attacks have been perpetrated by Muslims, you can't factor that as a percentage of the whole. You can't use "per capita" that way. What you can say is "if there is an attack, it's such-and-such percent more likely to have been committed by a Muslim male.

The way you describe it it's like average Joe Muslim on the street is -this- much more likely to be a terrorist. That's like seeing you on the street and saying you're -this much- more likely to be a pedophile because most arrests for pedophilia in America are for white males.

I don't see where that over turns my contention.

Let's make a lottery out of it. Let's say there are two pools of individuals: one white male pool and one Muslim pool. And the first one to pick out a terrorist wins the lottery. And to make it fair, each pool has the same number of individuals.

Again with fairness, we'd have to flip a coin to see who picks out of the Muslim pool, because whoever gets to draw out of the Muslim pool, odds are very good they'd win the lottery.

We'd get bored with it pretty soon, because of the terrorist per capita aspect in the Muslim population. So let's try and make it more interesting. Let's limit the white male pool to white southern gun owners.

Whoever loses the toss and draws the White southern male pool will still lose way more often than not.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

You're part of why you can't have a rational debate on this with the left. It's like you have to preface every comment regarding Islamic terrorism with #notallMuslims or youre a bigot. It's just annoying on a debate board but politicians are fearful of the label so they have to toe the line or pay for it at the voting booth.

And it's bullshit.

Per capita, Muslims stand a much greater chance of being terrorists than white males do. I'm sorry, they just do. Muslims comprise what, less than 5% of the total population. Us dangerous white guys comprise way higher, probably ten times higher.

Yet Muslim males are responsible for killing scores of innocent Americans over the past nine months. While the white male mass murders are on a hiatus.

The lefts problem is reality is politically incorrect.

You want to talk bullshit? Look at the post above.

Give me the %. What is the % of anyone in America getting killed by a Muslim?

Is it enough to cause the hysteria that you're trying to perpetuate?

Neat goalpost shift on your part. I admire your determination to ignore logic.