Dear Bernie (Robert Reich)

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Dear Bernie:

I don’t know what you’re going to do from here on, and I’m not going to advise you. You've earned the right to figure out the next steps for your campaign and the movement you have launched.

But let me tell you this: You’ve already succeeded.

At the start they labeled you a “fringe” candidate – a 74-year-old, political Independent, Jewish, self-described democratic socialist, who stood zero chance against the Democratic political establishment, the mainstream media, and the moneyed interests.

Then you won 22 states.

And in almost every state – even in those you lost -- you won vast majorities of voters under 30, including a majority of young women and Latinos. And most voters under 45.

You have helped shape the next generation.

You’ve done it without SuperPACs or big money from corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. You did it with small contributions from millions of us. You've shown it can be done without selling your soul or compromising your conviction.

You’ve also inspired millions to get involved in politics -- and to fight the most important and basic of all fights on which all else depends: to reclaim our economy and democracy from the moneyed interests.

Your message – about the necessity of single-payer healthcare, free tuition at public universities, a $15 minimum wage, busting up the biggest Wall Street banks, taxing the financial speculation, expanding Social Security, imposing a tax on carbon, and getting big money out of politics – will shape the progressive agenda from here on.

Your courage in taking on the political establishment has emboldened millions of us to stand up and demand our voices be heard.

Regardless of what you decide to do now, you have ignited a movement that will fight onward. We will fight to put more progressives into the House and Senate. We will fight at the state level. We will organize for the 2020 presidential election.

We will not succumb to cynicism. We are in it for the long haul. We will never give up.

Thank you, Bernie.

Bob
 
^ found on FB. *like*

Bernie is just not about the Progressive agenda, it's about getting rid of cronyism in the party
and corporate cronyism in gov't
 
Dear Bernie:

I don’t know what you’re going to do from here on, and I’m not going to advise you. You've earned the right to figure out the next steps for your campaign and the movement you have launched.

But let me tell you this: You’ve already succeeded.

At the start they labeled you a “fringe” candidate – a 74-year-old, political Independent, Jewish, self-described democratic socialist, who stood zero chance against the Democratic political establishment, the mainstream media, and the moneyed interests.

Then you won 22 states.

And in almost every state – even in those you lost -- you won vast majorities of voters under 30, including a majority of young women and Latinos. And most voters under 45.

You have helped shape the next generation.

You’ve done it without SuperPACs or big money from corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. You did it with small contributions from millions of us. You've shown it can be done without selling your soul or compromising your conviction.

You’ve also inspired millions to get involved in politics -- and to fight the most important and basic of all fights on which all else depends: to reclaim our economy and democracy from the moneyed interests.

Your message – about the necessity of single-payer healthcare, free tuition at public universities, a $15 minimum wage, busting up the biggest Wall Street banks, taxing the financial speculation, expanding Social Security, imposing a tax on carbon, and getting big money out of politics – will shape the progressive agenda from here on.

Your courage in taking on the political establishment has emboldened millions of us to stand up and demand our voices be heard.

Regardless of what you decide to do now, you have ignited a movement that will fight onward. We will fight to put more progressives into the House and Senate. We will fight at the state level. We will organize for the 2020 presidential election.

We will not succumb to cynicism. We are in it for the long haul. We will never give up.

Thank you, Bernie.

Bob

What does he plan to do now, though? How does he keep this alive? Will he form a coalition? How will he make sure that this movement ensures that he is able to do the things he has promised since he will not be President?
 
What does he plan to do now, though? How does he keep this alive? Will he form a coalition? How will he make sure that this movement ensures that he is able to do the things he has promised since he will not be President?
that's the $10,000 question. Chris Matthews likened it to a Roman Army ( loyal to their leader), and now there is this army, and what do you task them with..
 
•Independent voters are labeled No Party Preference, which becomes confusing when there is a party called the American Independent Party. Evidence shows hundreds of thousands of voters mistakenly registered with the party.

•Aguilar mentioned that No Party Preference voters needed to actively request a party ballot or else they received a NPP ballot with no presidential candidates on it.

•An early exit poll found that of 250,000 people who already turned in their ballots, nearly half of the people did not vote for president, likely because they did not request a crossover ballot and were not told their options.

•Many voters casting a ballot by mail reportedly received the wrong ballot for president. If they returned a completed ballot for other statewide races without the presidential race, they lost their right to vote in the presidential contest in 2016.

•Parties dictate the rules for ‘their’ taxpayer-funded presidential primaries, which means the rules can change from one election year to the other. In 2016, independent voters could cast a ballot in the Democratic, Libertarian, and American Independent primaries. Crossover voting between parties is not allowed under the semi-closed rules.
http://ivn.us/2016/06/08/democracy-now-looks-california-primary/

that is as bad as a closed primary..no wonder the polls were way off Bernie can't win without independents
 
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Nothing personal to you on this anatta but Sander's coalition will far apart like these other left wing groups do. Eventually these young kids grow up and get real jobs and raise families and realize how the world works and socialism ain't it.
 
Nothing personal to you on this anatta but Sander's coalition will far apart like these other left wing groups do. Eventually these young kids grow up and get real jobs and raise families and realize how the world works and socialism ain't it.
nothing personal ever taken in discussions , amigo..but young kids are way more liberal then you or I.
Then they go to college for a complete brainwashing... do you think they get the idea of a corptocracy?

 
Nothing personal to you on this anatta but Sander's coalition will far apart like these other left wing groups do. Eventually these young kids grow up and get real jobs and raise families and realize how the world works and socialism ain't it.

They're already there.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution

I think in the abstract, when you're thinking "someone else will pay it" it's one thing, when someone asks, well, what can we count on you for? It's a whole other ballgame.
 
Nothing personal to you on this anatta but Sander's coalition will far apart like these other left wing groups do. Eventually these young kids grow up and get real jobs and raise families and realize how the world works and socialism ain't it.

Or they grow up and realize Capitalism doesn't work for everything as well. I was a pretty solid free-market libertarian in my 20's. If they are smart enough, they'll see that they've been thinking inside of an idealistic box and that there is no single approach that works 100% of the time.
 
nothing personal ever taken in discussions , amigo..but young kids are way more liberal then you or I.
Then they go to college for a complete brainwashing... do you think they get the idea of a corptocracy?


I don't think the colleges need to brainwash young kids. It's already in them that they want to change the world and make sure everyone's taken care of. The problem is they haven't learned about unintended consequences just yet.
 
Or they grow up and realize Capitalism doesn't work for everything as well. I was a pretty solid free-market libertarian in my 20's. If they are smart enough, they'll see that they've been thinking inside of an idealistic box and that there is no single approach that works 100% of the time.

There's the old adage that free market capitalism is the worst economic system except for every other system ever tried. It's a great thing when people try to disrupt the current system which technology out of the Silicon Valley and other places are doing. Bernie's basically saying let's make America like Norway or other European countries. That's not moving us a new forward direction. That's just trying to convert us into a struggling model. That's the difference I see.
 
There's the old adage that free market capitalism is the worst economic system except for every other system ever tried. It's a great thing when people try to disrupt the current system which technology out of the Silicon Valley and other places are doing. Bernie's basically saying let's make America like Norway or other European countries. That's not moving us a new forward direction. That's just trying to convert us into a struggling model. That's the difference I see.

Sure, that system works in most circumstances, but not all. When it comes to the financial industry, the free market loves to bend folks over and give it to you with no lube.
 
Sure, that system works in most circumstances, but not all. When it comes to the financial industry, the free market loves to bend folks over and give it to you with no lube.

I'd argue there's all kinds of regulations on the financial industry and I'd say some of them are good. But we see regulations like Dodd-Frank which benefit the big banks when they are supposed to not make them too big to fail and harm the middle size to smaller ones. This isn't suggesting a complete deregulation of the industry but rather better regulations.

Edit: And Bernie spoke a lot about breaking up the big banks but you didn't hear a lot of depth from him on how he would do and what he envisioned going forward.
 
I'd argue there's all kinds of regulations on the financial industry and I'd say some of them are good. But we see regulations like Dodd-Frank which benefit the big banks when they are supposed to not make them too big to fail and harm the middle size to smaller ones. This isn't suggesting a complete deregulation of the industry but rather better regulations.

Of course, regulation is necessary in this case. How much or how little is the question. Free-Market capitalism in an industry who's only goal is to make money off of providing/shuffling money would create havoc. The best solution is neither Socialist nor is it Free-Market.

What about Health Insurance? A Socialist approach would suggest we just provide healthcare using tax dollars. This limits the industry however and slows research. The Free-Market approach places all the cost on the consumer so Insurance is supposed to be there to help pay for the bills. When the market knows you have no choice but to buy their product, they can set the prices how they want, and when it knows you have a safety net with Insurance, it can tack on a little more since you won't feel the pain, much. This also comes back on the consumer, and rates go up. So, the best solution is probably somewhere between these two.
 
Of course, regulation is necessary in this case. How much or how little is the question. Free-Market capitalism in an industry who's only goal is to make money off of providing/shuffling money would create havoc. The best solution is neither Socialist nor is it Free-Market.

What about Health Insurance? A Socialist approach would suggest we just provide healthcare using tax dollars. This limits the industry however and slows research. The Free-Market approach places all the cost on the consumer so Insurance is supposed to be there to help pay for the bills. When the market knows you have no choice but to buy their product, they can set the prices how they want, and when it knows you have a safety net with Insurance, it can tack on a little more since you won't feel the pain, much. This also comes back on the consumer, and rates go up. So, the best solution is probably somewhere between these two.

To be clear we obviously don't have a full free market economy in this country and there are not a whole lot of people arguing we need almost no regulations or anything along that line.

I don't think Bernie was offering a new way between the two. He wanted to go straight left modeled after certain European countries and that's a model that isn't going to fly in the U.S.
 
Kids should not be allowed to vote. That's problem number 1. They are too fucking stupid.

Min voting age should be like 25.

Non-tax payers should also not be allowed to vote. They can watch from the sidelines. If they don't contribute, they can't play the game. Everyone should have a stake.

If you have enough money to pay taxes but cheat on your taxes, you should get two votes.
 
What does he plan to do now, though? How does he keep this alive? Will he form a coalition? How will he make sure that this movement ensures that he is able to do the things he has promised since he will not be President?
Pretty soon, he'd better stop the nonsense, and ignite his masses to get serious about taking back the Senate. The House is probably lost forever, but we can make gains.

He has the ability to get his movement on board...hold their collective noses, and vote. Even if they don't vote for POTUS, they should vote on the local/state level.
 
I don't think the colleges need to brainwash young kids. It's already in them that they want to change the world and make sure everyone's taken care of. The problem is they haven't learned about unintended consequences just yet.

colleges are not for exposure, they are for indoctrination. There is no more exposure to multiple ideas -jut ramrodding PC ones.
There is no real critical thought
 
Kids should not be allowed to vote. That's problem number 1. They are too fucking stupid.

Min voting age should be like 25.

Non-tax payers should also not be allowed to vote. They can watch from the sidelines. If they don't contribute, they can't play the game. Everyone should have a stake.

If you have enough money to pay taxes but cheat on your taxes, you should get two votes.

There should be a maximum voting age of 45, old people shouldn't be allowed to vote. They should just sit in their nursing home and take their meds, and not force Republicans on the rest of us.

Men and white people shouldn't get to vote.

The wealthy shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Only Communist party members in good standing should be allowed to vote.
 
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