Why do they hate Hillary Clinton so much?

"...the 1994 crime bill was supported by most black leaders at the time.[SUP]1[/SUP] It was addressing a real problem, and no one at the time knew that violent crime was already starting a historic two-decade drop. Despite that, both Bill and Hillary Clinton now acknowledge that the crime bill was flawed, especially the carceral aspects. I don't imagine this is an argument that's ever going to be resolved, but for all the bill's faults, I think it's (a) unfair to use hindsight and hyperbole ("most immoral in American history") to vilify the actions of people 20 years ago who had legitimate reasons to think they were in the middle of a huge social problem, and (b) even more unfair to suggest the bill was central to the problem of mass incarceration. The vast majority of the carceral state had been put in place long before.

Second, suggesting that Hillary Clinton aided the passage of the 1994 crime bill via a speech she gave in 1996 speaks for itself. Hate Clinton all you want, but she hasn't invented time travel."
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Look who's talking. A defender of the worst economic idea since communism. Supply Side Economics. Hell at least socialism works. It may not be optimal or ideal but it does have that advantage over Supply Side Economics. I've never heard you refute Southern Conservative Populism either. Another notoriously failed idea. How about Neoconservative foreign policy? I aint exactly heard you stand up and point out the obvious, that it was the worst foreign policy ideas since Vietnam.
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Mott the Hoople said:
Look who's talking. A defender of the worst economic idea since communism. Supply Side Economics. Hell at least socialism works. It may not be optimal or ideal but it does have that advantage over Supply Side Economics. I've never heard you refute Southern Conservative Populism either. Another notoriously failed idea. How about Neoconservative foreign policy? I aint exactly heard you stand up and point out the obvious, that it was the worst foreign policy ideas since Vietnam.
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Oh dear lord. Have you been hanging around some academics near work?
 
christiefan915 said:
"Failed" to conservatives, maybe.

I've been reading off and on a book called Closed Chambers about SCOTUS. It was written by Harry Blackmun's clerk and he describes his time there in the 1988 term. One of the issues was capital punishment. You want your eyes opened, read it. Nobody was more uncaring about blacks in prisons, or on death row, than the conservative justices, especially Rehnquist. From the book: "...in his fourteen years on the court Rehnquist had pursued a kind of reverse abolitionism, only once voting to overturn a death sentence even on those occasions when his colleagues unanimously found that result to be compelled."

Clinton's crime bill was a bad decision even though the public supported it. But history shows it wasn't the gold standard for unfair treatment of blacks. We had that going in our own supposedly impartial court of last resort. I never liked Rehnquist but this book is really opening my eyes to what a nasty piece of work he was.
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Desh claims deregulation and tax cuts are failed ideas. Now she claims to support free trade but most Democrat don't as evident by Hillary having to change her position on TPP. Clinton went against many Dems by signing welfare reform. In Desh's world all right leaning ideas are failed ones.
 
christiefan915 said:
"...the 1994 crime bill was supported by most black leaders at the time.[SUP]1[/SUP] It was addressing a real problem, and no one at the time knew that violent crime was already starting a historic two-decade drop. Despite that, both Bill and Hillary Clinton now acknowledge that the crime bill was flawed, especially the carceral aspects. I don't imagine this is an argument that's ever going to be resolved, but for all the bill's faults, I think it's (a) unfair to use hindsight and hyperbole ("most immoral in American history") to vilify the actions of people 20 years ago who had legitimate reasons to think they were in the middle of a huge social problem, and (b) even more unfair to suggest the bill was central to the problem of mass incarceration. The vast majority of the carceral state had been put in place long before.

Second, suggesting that Hillary Clinton aided the passage of the 1994 crime bill via a speech she gave in 1996 speaks for itself. Hate Clinton all you want, but she hasn't invented time travel."
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The war on drugs was supported by black leaders at the time as well but here you have people like Rune claiming it was strictly done to reduce black votes.
 
christiefan915 said:
Hilarious. Politifact gave your messiah bush only 4 statements after eight years in office. And you voted for him allowing thousands of Americans to be killed in his phony, immoral war. Get off your high horse.
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why, are you jealous that my horse is higher than your horse, Chrispie.....
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Look who's talking. A defender of the worst economic idea since communism. Supply Side Economics. Hell at least socialism works. It may not be optimal or ideal but it does have that advantage over Supply Side Economics. I've never heard you refute Southern Conservative Populism either. Another notoriously failed idea. How about Neoconservative foreign policy? I aint exactly heard you stand up and point out the obvious, that it was the worst foreign policy ideas since Vietnam.
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actually, none of those things caused a problem.......it was the moving away from those three things that ended up with shit being done to us........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
tell me it isn't so......do you actually mean that when Congress passes things, the executive branch signs it?........its been so long I've forgotten how that works.......
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We noticed. That is why you support a candidate who would have to become US emperor to accomplish what he promises.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so now you are in favor of "NAFTA, welfare reform, capital gains tax reduction, tough on crime bill that locks up blacks and financial deregulation"?......tell usm which was your favorite.....maybe we have more in common than I thought.......
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I didn't say anything about favoring or not favoring them. Which were you for and against?
 
christiefan915 said:
I didn't say anything about favoring or not favoring them. Which were you for and against?
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well let's see.....NAFTA.....yes........welfare reform.....yes.......capital gains tax reductions......no, I operate a company that escrows 1031 exchange transactions so that would be bad for business - I think capital gains and interest and dividends should all be taxed at the same rate as wages.......tough on crime?.......obviously yes (though unlike the left I don't think assume that only effects blacks - I think whites are criminals too)........financial deregulation?.....I am in favor of deregulation......what puzzles me is that when they deregulated, they didn't also get rid of the bail out procedures........I'm not a fan of "we aren't going to watch you but we're still going to protect you".........

so, do you think I'm enough like Hilldreary that I should vote for her?.........what difference would it make, Chrispy?........
 
cawacko said:
Grow up and join the 21st century? Actually I have and free markets and the West won. You old relics like Cuba and its speech suppression lost. Sorry you are stuck in a time warp sir.
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Stop quacking like a drunken duck then, donkey-kisser. You think Cubans had freedom when it was a brothel for you poxy buggers?
 
iolo said:
Stop quacking like a drunken duck then, donkey-kisser. You think Cubans had freedom when it was a brothel for you poxy buggers?
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Is that your justification for today? In a globalized technological driven world Cuban's aren't even allowed to have internet access? That's a relic. That's being stuck in time warp. Yet you still support "the revolution".
 
cawacko said:
Is that your justification for today? In a globalized technological driven world Cuban's aren't even allowed to have internet access? That's a relic. That's being stuck in time warp. Yet you still support "the revolution".
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What are you quacking about now, duck? I gave up my place in the Cuban Government when I was three. You think prostitutes are happier?
 
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