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Get out there and vote, Mott! 
Legion Troll
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HAIL TRUMP VICTORY!
What you have accidentally swerved into is the fact that Trump is more than just the next president. He is America's reaction and probable REJECTION of the establishment Republican Party. After, these bozos were given Congress and they didn't stop the KENYAN SHOESHINE BOY from butt fucking our economy and making us the laughingstock of the world.
Trump is as much a slap in the face to the establishment GOP as he is a rejection of Nazi Democrats.
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cawacko
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What did the Republican led Congress let Obama accomplish after 2010 that you disagree with?
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I don't know why I keep kidding myself that there is still any chance for anything other than a Trump nomination.
I feel like America isn't split right & left right now, or black & white. The split is between people who can easily see through the cellophane that Trump is wearing, and people who inexplicably can't.
I feel like America isn't split right & left right now, or black & white. The split is between people who can easily see through the cellophane that Trump is wearing, and people who inexplicably can't.
I doubt they care...
But the damage that has been done to the Conservative movement is likely going to be long lasting. Mostly I think its a good thing and will ultimately result in some long term progress on the liberal side. Maybe even more if Trump becomes President.
The Conservative movement has some positive and I am sorry to lose that at the cost of xenophobia, racism and nationalism.
cawacko
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Jarod, why have so many Democrats traditionally been against free trade?
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I know people on both sides who like it when the "other side" nominates a lame or incredibly flawed candidate. I hate it, personally - I wish every election, we got the best that each party had to offer.
We really never do, which is a drag.
That is a good question. I believe strongly in free trade.
Its because of labor's marriage to the Democrats. Like the Republicans marriage to evangelicals the Democrats have had to make concessions to labor. Personally I believe opposition to free trade is based on short term gain, long term loss. The world is shrinking at a rapid rate and artificial barrios to international competition only hurts domestic markets.
Luckily Labor's influence is shrinking and the Democrats are having to evolve, starting with Bill Clinton's support for NAFTA.
I voted for sanders yesterday ( Florida).
It was the very best vote I've cast in decades. I can't recall the last time I wasn't voting 3rd party or "lessor of 2 evils"
It was so nice to cast an affirmative vote!
cawacko
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Starting to evolve? You have Congressional Democrats who attempted to vote down the TPP. You have Bernie Sanders making this run for the Presidency who has not (ever?) supported free trade. You have Hillary Clinton who supported TPP and now feels the need to turn against it for fear of losing her parties support.
That sounds like a very short term 'evolution' that turned back very quickly.
The fact is that TPP did not get overturned. The fact is that HRC is currently against it, but we know where she truly stands, as long as she can win and support it she will. It is progress, I am not happy about how slow the progress is, but its progress. It is better than an unholy alliance with those who use God and religion for political gain.
cawacko
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This has nothing to do with God Jarod. TPP didn't get overturned because Republicans in Congress voted for it. You are the one talking about nationalism and xenophobia well why do you think that's only the case when Republicans are against free trade but not Democrats?
I have told you why, its an alliance with Labor. Its purely self gain and not nationalism or xenophobia, its greed.
Its Nationalism and Xenophobia when its done by using fear of people who are different to inflame emotions. Its greed when its done by using money to promote loyalty.
Let's see.
How about the continued existence of Obamacare, (which the GOP freshman class ran on OVERTURNING.)?
How about that last budget deal that strips money from the military and expands the welfare state and costs a couple of TRILLION?
How about AMNESTY for ILLEGAL ALIENS?
How about allowing Planned Parenthood to traffic in human body parts, FINANCED BY OUR FUCKING TAX DOLLARS?
Think the average rank and file taxpayer isn't pissed about that? There are 100 MILLION people unemployed today. Food stamp use is at an all time high. Wages are low. Jobs are disappearing. America is a laughingstock of the world. And with us about $20 trillion in the hole, Obama just HANDED A FUCKING TERRORIST REGIME (IRAN) A COOL $150 BILLION to buy whatever weapons they want and to finance whatever terrorism they want. And the GOP did NOTHING to stop it.
We gave the GOP control of Congress and they broke their promises. Trump is their last chance.