" Russians made Syria peace possible " - ex NATO chief.
- Thread starter moon
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umm..no. You did see that is a RT op?
Russian "peace" is bombing the crap out of terrorists ( anyone that isn't Assad's Syrian Army) - and occasionally going after ISIS.
Syria was already a 'failed state', although our "Friends of Syria" meddling by Hillary helped push it along -weakening Assad - but not toppling him
and allowing the Islamists to make gains while eating the "secular rebels" lunch..
It's funny how Kerry thinks this is some kina peace. It's only gona last as long as it's convenient for Russia/Assad/Iran to keep it.
Russia has basically turned the war around to Assad's favor, while enabling Iranian regulars and militias to work hand in hand with Hezbollah.
So evacuate Aleppo -more refugees -but at least the slaughter stops for awhile. be grateful for pauses in the war.
maybe the Islamists, but Russian action against ISIL was perfunctory.
Russian "peace" is bombing the crap out of terrorists ( anyone that isn't Assad's Syrian Army) - and occasionally going after ISIS.
Syria was already a 'failed state', although our "Friends of Syria" meddling by Hillary helped push it along -weakening Assad - but not toppling him
and allowing the Islamists to make gains while eating the "secular rebels" lunch..
It's funny how Kerry thinks this is some kina peace. It's only gona last as long as it's convenient for Russia/Assad/Iran to keep it.
Russia has basically turned the war around to Assad's favor, while enabling Iranian regulars and militias to work hand in hand with Hezbollah.
So evacuate Aleppo -more refugees -but at least the slaughter stops for awhile. be grateful for pauses in the war.
moon
Satire for Sanity
That's correct- and a Syria controlled by the legal government -Assad- with the aid of the Russians and the Lebanese is the shortest and most effective route to peace and stability. Of course, there will be external elements who attempt to destabilise any headway made- and that includes ' us '- but I think that the Russians are canny enough to win through. So does the ex-NATO chief.
evince
Truthmatters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
RT, originally Russia Today, is a Russian government-funded television network which runs cable and satellite television channels directed to audiences outside the Russian Federation, as well as Internet content in various languages including Russian. RT International, which is based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, and debates, as well as sports news and cultural programmes about Russia.[3] RT operates as a multilingual service with conventional channels in three languages: the original English language channel was launched in 2005, followed by the Arabic language channel in 2007 and the Spanish language channel in 2009. RT America (since 2010),[5] and RT UK (since 2014) offer some locally based content for those countries.
RT, originally Russia Today, is a Russian government-funded television network which runs cable and satellite television channels directed to audiences outside the Russian Federation, as well as Internet content in various languages including Russian. RT International, which is based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, and debates, as well as sports news and cultural programmes about Russia.[3] RT operates as a multilingual service with conventional channels in three languages: the original English language channel was launched in 2005, followed by the Arabic language channel in 2007 and the Spanish language channel in 2009. RT America (since 2010),[5] and RT UK (since 2014) offer some locally based content for those countries.
moon
Satire for Sanity
while I am fine with Russia doing it's own thing in Syria -it's client state - claiming Assad is going to bring peace and stability is questionable.
Not that I see any better path other then a negotiated political future - which cannot happen until the belligerents decide they want it.
In short there is really no known path to peace and stability. Harald Kujat's claims notwithstanding. he's only 1 retired general.
At best the hot war becomes an insurgency, and there is some kina agreement on who owns damascus
moon
Satire for Sanity
Syria will become a democratic state after it has been cleared of crazed militias. Assad had already moved a long way in that direction before Western sedition and armaments fueled the war we are witnessing today.
He saw the writing on the wall and- to his credit- attempted to address it peacefully. This war was never of Assad's making.
He saw the writing on the wall and- to his credit- attempted to address it peacefully. This war was never of Assad's making.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
How much do you admire Assad?
I think we are past that point. I don't think Assad can survive ( Alawite) is too small a sect, unless Iran/Russia care to colonize Syria.
I mean anything is possible, but I think a power sharing arrangement is the only way to stop the war.
I do agree it would have been MUCH better if the west had stayed out of it -that whole movement of "assad must go" -weakened assad
and allowed the militias/rebel/Islamists/etc. to rise with more confidence.
Then the matter of weapons from the US being seized by the various groups..
But I don't think we can get back to before that anymore. The question is:
does Syria need another strong man,or does Syria need a representative democracy ( power sharing)..I do not know.
I mean anything is possible, but I think a power sharing arrangement is the only way to stop the war.
I do agree it would have been MUCH better if the west had stayed out of it -that whole movement of "assad must go" -weakened assad
and allowed the militias/rebel/Islamists/etc. to rise with more confidence.
Then the matter of weapons from the US being seized by the various groups..
But I don't think we can get back to before that anymore. The question is:
does Syria need another strong man,or does Syria need a representative democracy ( power sharing)..I do not know.
evince
Truthmatters
I think hes a Russian communist
Moon is a smart guy/gal/earth satellite?
moon
Satire for Sanity
Bear in mind that he managed to keep Syria relatively strong and well-civilised with the chaos of Iraq on one side of it and the malevolent intent of Israeli fascism on the other.
He also succeeded in supporting Lebanon and keeping it free of Zionist invasion- and when they did invade the Lebanese were able to defeat them with Assad's support.
So, in terms of a leader who looks after his own and his allies he's done a pretty good job. That's why ' we're ' trying to topple him, of course.
Although it's not reported in the Western media he has the support of a great many Syrians. He actually won the pre-war referendum on his own suitability as leader- but that didn't prevent ' us' from arming his opposition, did it. Shout ' Arab Spring ' and hand out the C4 and detonators.
Syrian referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_constitutional_referendum,_2012
Did you even know that there had been a Syrian Constitutional Referendum ? You'd be one of the very few who did.
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Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Syria didn't write the book on such elections. Anyway, it's a Muslim country, so, whatever stability Assad is attempting to maintain, he's hardly fighting for anything remotely civilized.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
If I had it my way, there would be an Assad or Hussein running every ME country except for rare cases, such as Jordan, Kuwait, and the UAE.
Let's take a look at an Assad democracy. (Not for the faint of heart)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-Assad-man-Russia-s-Putin-helping-power.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-Assad-man-Russia-s-Putin-helping-power.html
good article -harrowing as it is -this is actual documentation by the forensics guy -not simply anecdotals.
There isn't any really good option in Syria right now; I think it's upto 1/2 million actually killed by now.
It's a regional, proxie as well as civil war and until the region decides they've had enough there isn't any way to stop it.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Would you consider this to be ' uncivilised architecture ' ?
That's an American mosque, incidentally.
MacDonald's , Abu Dhabi.
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transwarpdrive
Destroyer of Liberals
But then the cunts on the left would attack you for "supporting" or being friendly with a dictatorship, the way they do with saudi arabia - yet are silent about iran, or how russia is its ally. They are very loud when it comes to the so-called "rights" for the west bank arabs - but are very quiet about those same rights for the 85% of syrian that was sunni and hated assad.
That's the problem with the anti-West, mentally ill leftists - they have are completely devoid of consistency, and are too stupid to even realize it.
transwarpdrive
Destroyer of Liberals
It is astounding that with that monstrous war going on right next door, large sections of the fuck-awful media and idiot cunts on the left continue to whine about Israel, its really a fucking joke. 500K massacred, bombed, tortured, gassed, etc in syria in just 4 years, but the poor, poor palestinians, oh they just have so terribly bad...
transwarpdrive
Destroyer of Liberals
This tragedy falls on the weak and corrupt shoulders of the dog obama, who has allowed putin to invade and attack countries all over the world with hardly a response. Had the US been under a real president, syria would have been long past this situation, with assad either dead or hanging at the Hague where he should be.