Blizzard Warming

Borboletta said:
No sorry son, but element and compound have very precise chemical definitions. Only an ignorant twerp like you would attempt to bullshit their way out of their faux pas. I should go to bed if I were you, you obviously need the sleep.
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For your information, the english language exists outside of the chemistry classroom BORBO
I could have just as easily substituted the word "constituents" for "elements" and the meaning would be exactly the same, and you know that. You jump on what you think was an error on my part that wasn't one at all, rather than address the fact that the overabundance of any constituent in the atmosphere is in every real sense a pollutant. See the above definition.
You fail.
Poor BORBO the Pro- pollution shill for the petroleum industry.
 
Leonthecat said:
For your information, the english language exists outside of the chemistry classroom BORBO
I could have just as easily substituted the word "constituents" for "elements" and the meaning would be exactly the same, and you know that. You jump on what you think was an error on my part that wasn't one at all, rather than address the fact that the overabundance of any constituent in the atmosphere is in every real sense a pollutant. See the above definition.
You fail.
Poor BORBO the Pro- pollution shill for the petroleum industry.
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Go to bed Grandad, you need the rest! You've demonstrated more than adequately that you have an extremely tenuous grasp of basic scientific concepts. No wonder that you've gravitated to the likes of Rune and Evince, birds of feather...
 
ZoomZoom said:
While they have their "thoughts" the rest of us have information, facts, statistics and provable modeling techniques, all of which are anathema to the willfully ignorant.
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No you do not. You have flawed computer models that can't even account for water vapor.

I am still amazed that anyone over the age of five still believes in the myth that is man made global warming

Yet even though you claim to believe here you sit using a computer and contributing to the warming.

Have you no shame?
 
Every responsible meteorologist, weather related organization and all others whose JOBS are to examine, reflect and report weather conditions say that you're a liar, celtic. What is it about you factless ones and your insistence that ignorance trumps solid research and analyses?
 
ZoomZoom said:
Every responsible meteorologist, weather related organization and all others whose JOBS are to examine, reflect and report weather conditions say that you're a liar, celtic. What is it about you factless ones and your insistence that ignorance trumps solid research and analyses?
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The gods I wish there was some truth in that. Instead we have bureaucrats appointed by believers to get the results that they want, and STILL have not one predictive model that has ever produced one accurate prediction. Not one prediction based on these models have been correct. Zero, nada. Hasn't happened, has always been wrong....

Let's see how that fits with the scientific method...


The steps of the scientific method are to:
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

Now if not one experimental prediction based on the predictive models is correct, at that point you are supposed to draw a conclusion form the data, not the "what you want most"....
 
Leonthecat said:
You just called those compounds that you say don't pollute "pollutants".Lol
There is more than one definition to the word "elements".

ˈeləmənt
noun
plural noun: elements
1.
a part or aspect of something abstract, especially one that is essential or characteristic.
"the death had all the elements of a great tabloid story"
synonyms: component, constituent, part, section, portion, piece, segment, bit; More
2.
each of more than one hundred substances that cannot be chemically interconverted or broken down into simpler substances and are primary constituents of matter. Each element is distinguished by its atomic number, i.e., the number of protons in the nuclei of its atoms.

The sense in which I used the word comes before the sense that describes the primary constituents of matter.

CO2 is not an element per se, but it is an "element" of the atmosphere nonetheless.
Poor Borbo
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Oh for fuxx sake, you really are desperate. I never said they weren't pollutants. All of them, apart from CO2, are pollutants in any quantity. If there was too much CO2 then that would be a pollutant as well but at levels of around 400 ppm it is far more beneficial than it is detrimental. In fact levels well over twice that are pumped into greenhouses specifically to aid crop growth.

I think I will have to give up discussing scientific issues on here, apart from a couple of exceptions, it is mostly populated by scientific illiterates like you, Rune and Desh.
 
ZoomZoom said:
Every responsible meteorologist, weather related organization and all others whose JOBS are to examine, reflect and report weather conditions say that you're a liar, celtic. What is it about you factless ones and your insistence that ignorance trumps solid research and analyses?
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No. Not all and fewer every day. 19 years and counting on that stuck thermometer.
 
Borboletta said:
Oh for fuxx sake, you really are desperate. I never said they weren't pollutants. All of them, apart from CO2, are pollutants in any quantity. If there was too much CO2 then that would be a pollutant as well but at levels of around 400 ppm it is far more beneficial than it is detrimental. In fact levels well over twice that are pumped into greenhouses specifically to aid crop growth.

I think I will have to give up discussing scientific issues on here, apart from a couple of exceptions, it is mostly populated by scientific illiterates like you, Rune and Desh.
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What are the effects of elevated CO2 levels on animal life?
Toxicology of CO2
CO2 is considered to be a potential inhalation toxicant and a simple asphyxiate (Aerias 2005;
NIOSH 1976; Priestly 2003). It enters the body from the atmosphere through the lungs, is
distributed to the blood, and may cause an acid-base imbalance, or acidosis, with subsequent
CNS depression (Nelson 2000; Priestly 2003). Acidosis is caused by an overabundance of CO2
in the blood. Under normal physiological circumstances, there is a higher concentration of CO2
in the blood than in the lungs, forming a concentration gradient, where blood CO2 diffuses into
the lungs and then is exhaled. An increase in inhaled CO2 and subsequent reaction with water in
the blood forms carbonic acid (H2CO3), which then dissociates into hydrogen ions [H+
] and
bicarbonate [HCO3
-
]. The excess CO2 shifts the equilibrium toward the creation of more
hydrogen ions, thus creating an acidic environment (see equation below). During respiratory
acidosis, the pH of the blood becomes less than 7.35 (Priestly 2003).
CO2 + H2O ↔ H2 CO3 ↔ H+
+ HCO3
-
Electrolyte imbalance occurs due to decreased blood plasma chloride, potassium, and calcium
and increased blood plasma sodium. Furthermore, the oxygen depleted environment does not
allow for cells in the body to obtain the oxygen they need to survive. Fortunately, the body
compensates for the excess in H+
ions by binding of the protons to hemoglobin. In addition, the
lungs attempt to compensate by removing the excess CO2, which is the reason rapid breathing is
apparent during acute CO2 exposure. After prolonged exposure, the kidney begins to balance
blood pH by retaining bicarbonate and excreting hydrogen ions to correct acidosis (Priestly
2003).
Symptoms related to acute CO2 exposure are shown in Table 2 (Aerias 2005; IVHHN 2005).
Treatment to high exposures of this compound involves removing the victim from the confined
space or oxygen inadequate environment, and increasing the oxygen supply to the exposed
individual (MSDS for CO2 2003; Nelson 2000; Priestly 2003). The condition of acidosis is
reversible upon removal from a high CO2 environment

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...A/cfodocs/howell.Par.2800.File.dat/25apxC.pdf
 
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