Driver firing randomly on U.S. highway kills two

Damocles said:
Yes, Christiefan, the 2nd Amendment. Freedom has some risk, I prefer to pay for my freedom with risk than to "feel" safe.
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I never said to ban guns, did I. Maybe you should read #92 a little more closely and let sink in the part about how we as a nation should stop glorifying violence.
 
christiefan915 said:
I never said to ban guns, did I. Maybe you should read #92 a little more closely and let sink in the part about how we as a nation should stop glorifying violence.
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From a sports perspective look at boxing. Was a popular sport for decades. Football is our country's number one sport and it is all violence. How far do we go to eliminate violence from what we see?
 
cawacko said:
From a sports perspective look at boxing. Was a popular sport for decades. Football is our country's number one sport and it is all violence. How far do we go to eliminate violence from what we see?
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I agree with this article. I don't follow boxing but as far as football, the league is finally recognizing the violence of the sport and trying to lessen it with new rules and regulations, and some people hate that. No sport IMO is worth a few years of money and glory and spending the rest of one's life with chronic brain trauma.

"The grave reality is that violence saturates almost every aspect of North American culture. Domestically, violence weaves through the cultural and social landscape like a highly charged forest fire burning everything in its path. Popular culture, extending from Hollywood films and sports thuggery, to video games, embraces the spectacle of violence as the primary medium of entertainment. The real issue here is the existence of a pedagogy of violence that actually makes the power of deadly violence attractive. Representations of violence dominate the media and often parade before viewers less as an object of critique than as a for-profit spectacle, just as the language of violence and punishment now shapes the U.S. culture — with various registers of violence now informing school zero-tolerance policies, a bulging prison-industrial complex, and the growing militarization of everyday life...

...There is no one cause of violence, but a series of a number of causes that range from the war on drugs and the militarization of police departments to mass incarcerations in prisons to the return from brutal wars of many trained killers suffering with PTSD.[2] All of these factors combine in an explosive mix to create an dangerous culture of violence and cruelty and as Jeff Sparrow points out a “willingness of ordinary people to commit unthinkable atrocities.”

...the United States is not only obsessed with military values shaping foreign policy, but war and militarism have become a mediating force that now seep into almost every aspect of daily life. War now makes men, and becomes the most important logic mediating not simply contemporary views of masculinity but social relations in general. We see war and its dynamics of cruelty and punishment seeping into a whole range of institutions. For instance, we see schools and social services modeled increasingly after prisons. We see police forces being paramilitarized. We see popular culture endlessly celebrating the spectacle of violence. What is startling is that the logic of war and violence have become addictive, a socially constructed need that we simply cannot get away from. Violence has become a defining organizing principle of society that has become one of the few shared mediating forces that now holds everyday life together. What is crucial to acknowledge here is that “the fields of politics and violence—a violence that seems to lack rational organization, not excepting self-destruction—are no longer separated. They have progressively permeated one another.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/violence_is_deeply_rooted_in_american_culture_20130122
 
christiefan915 said:
You're posting exactly what I've been saying all along. That we ignore the gun violence by Americans in favor of fear mongering about Muslims. Your numbers show almost 100 people dead from good old routine American gun violence but nobody gives a crap.
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Its not 'gun violence'.....guns aren't violent at all....I have about 5 or 6 sitting in my home for 40 years and they've never become violent.....and I'm only one of millions....

Soooooo, logically, it must be something else.....now think real hard about that.
 
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christiefan915 said:
How about if we stop glorifying violence in this country? Stop with the "might makes right." Stop the increasingly violent movies, games and television programs. Stop pretending that the only solution to gun violence is more guns. Stop the gun swaggering. Stop thinking that the only way to end violence is with more violence. Stop idolizing guns and criticizing people who don't have the same opinion of them. Stop letting politicians instill endless amounts of fear about situations that may never occur. Stop thinking we can solve other countries' problems with war. Stop thinking of the 2nd amendment as God's greatest commandment.

What have you got?
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And what, exactly, can we do about glorifying violence in this country? Stop with the "might makes right." Stop the increasingly violent movies, games and television programs.

I never said that the only solution to gun violence is more guns. But it IS one solution to self defense....it being the most powerful instinct humans possess...

and the 2nd amendment is what gives us that particular right to exercise that self defense.....

I know you profess to be a pacifist.......but have you really considered what a pacifist really is....in the dangerous real world, not in some imaginary Utopian world....
 
christiefan915 said:
I agree with this article. I don't follow boxing but as far as football, the league is finally recognizing the violence of the sport and trying to lessen it with new rules and regulations, and some people hate that. No sport IMO is worth a few years of money and glory and spending the rest of one's life with chronic brain trauma.

"The grave reality is that violence saturates almost every aspect of North American culture. Domestically, violence weaves through the cultural and social landscape like a highly charged forest fire burning everything in its path. Popular culture, extending from Hollywood films and sports thuggery, to video games, embraces the spectacle of violence as the primary medium of entertainment. The real issue here is the existence of a pedagogy of violence that actually makes the power of deadly violence attractive. Representations of violence dominate the media and often parade before viewers less as an object of critique than as a for-profit spectacle, just as the language of violence and punishment now shapes the U.S. culture — with various registers of violence now informing school zero-tolerance policies, a bulging prison-industrial complex, and the growing militarization of everyday life...

...There is no one cause of violence, but a series of a number of causes that range from the war on drugs and the militarization of police departments to mass incarcerations in prisons to the return from brutal wars of many trained killers suffering with PTSD.[2] All of these factors combine in an explosive mix to create an dangerous culture of violence and cruelty and as Jeff Sparrow points out a “willingness of ordinary people to commit unthinkable atrocities.”

...the United States is not only obsessed with military values shaping foreign policy, but war and militarism have become a mediating force that now seep into almost every aspect of daily life. War now makes men, and becomes the most important logic mediating not simply contemporary views of masculinity but social relations in general. We see war and its dynamics of cruelty and punishment seeping into a whole range of institutions. For instance, we see schools and social services modeled increasingly after prisons. We see police forces being paramilitarized. We see popular culture endlessly celebrating the spectacle of violence. What is startling is that the logic of war and violence have become addictive, a socially constructed need that we simply cannot get away from. Violence has become a defining organizing principle of society that has become one of the few shared mediating forces that now holds everyday life together. What is crucial to acknowledge here is that “the fields of politics and violence—a violence that seems to lack rational organization, not excepting self-destruction—are no longer separated. They have progressively permeated one another.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/violence_is_deeply_rooted_in_american_culture_20130122
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Are you a Pirates fan?
 
christiefan915 said:
I never said to ban guns, did I.
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Oh you don't SAY it....here at least....but you most definitely support it. And you vote for people who advocate it. And you contribute to groups that work towards it.
Maybe you should read #92 a little more closely and let sink in the part about how we as a nation should stop glorifying violence.
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So what actions should Congress take? Maybe we should give the PTC and ESRB the power to dictate laws.
 
christiefan915 said:
How about if we stop glorifying violence in this country? Stop with the "might makes right." Stop the increasingly violent movies, games and television programs. Stop pretending that the only solution to gun violence is more guns. Stop the gun swaggering. Stop thinking that the only way to end violence is with more violence. Stop idolizing guns and criticizing people who don't have the same opinion of them. Stop letting politicians instill endless amounts of fear about situations that may never occur. Stop thinking we can solve other countries' problems with war. Stop thinking of the 2nd amendment as God's greatest commandment.

What have you got?
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OMG, was I wrong. I said "What would be useful would be an actual plan. I mean one that would work. Not the normal stupid one that says let's pretend that a law will keep sickos from getting any of the 300 million guns in the country and hundreds of millions more in the rest of the world."

And you said stop glorifying violence! Wow, and I didn't think you had a workable plan! Wow was I wrong about you? NO, I wasn't. I was dead on. That is hilarious. You're going to keep sickos from guns by ending the glorification of violence. And I said you didn't have a plan.

Unbelievable.

A follow on question. How are you going to accomplish that? You know, first amendment and all? You just going to ask nicely? You going to send the police out with guns to force them to stop? What's the plan, Marshall?
 
christiefan915 said:
You're posting exactly what I've been saying all along. That we ignore the gun violence by Americans in favor of fear mongering about Muslims. Your numbers show almost 100 people dead from good old routine American gun violence but nobody gives a crap.
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it's called the price of freedom. the founders were well aware that people would be violent. but guess what? you have the ability to combat gun violence by criminals. carry your own gun.
 
christiefan915 said:
How about if we stop glorifying violence in this country? Stop with the "might makes right." Stop pretending that the only solution to gun violence is more guns. Stop the gun swaggering. Stop thinking that the only way to end violence is with more violence.
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what is the first thing people do, today, when someone starts shooting at them or others? they call for people with guns, so why are you promoting might makes right? why is YOUR solution to gun violence more guns?
 
christiefan915 said:
I agree with this article. I don't follow boxing but as far as football, the league is finally recognizing the violence of the sport and trying to lessen it with new rules and regulations, and some people hate that. No sport IMO is worth a few years of money and glory and spending the rest of one's life with chronic brain trauma.
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this is completely ridiculous. the major difference between sports and guns is one CHOOSES to participate in sports. One KNOWINGLY accepts the risks of injury for the reward. this is apples and oranges.
 
kaz said:
OMG, was I wrong. I said "What would be useful would be an actual plan. I mean one that would work. Not the normal stupid one that says let's pretend that a law will keep sickos from getting any of the 300 million guns in the country and hundreds of millions more in the rest of the world."

And you said stop glorifying violence! Wow, and I didn't think you had a workable plan! Wow was I wrong about you? NO, I wasn't. I was dead on. That is hilarious. You're going to keep sickos from guns by ending the glorification of violence. And I said you didn't have a plan.

Unbelievable.

A follow on question. How are you going to accomplish that? You know, first amendment and all? You just going to ask nicely? You going to send the police out with guns to force them to stop? What's the plan, Marshall?
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I asked for your suggestions and all you had was insults. Typical con, I am so not surprised.
 
Sheogorath said:
Oh you don't SAY it....here at least....but you most definitely support it. And you vote for people who advocate it. And you contribute to groups that work towards it.

So what actions should Congress take? Maybe we should give the PTC and ESRB the power to dictate laws.
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Don't be idiotic. I live in PA where hunting is a religion. I was taught to shoot when I was a kid. I'd never kill an animal but have hit a few bull's-eyes on targets. Stop pretending you know anything about me just because I abhor gun violence among all forms of violence.

I'm asking you and the others what actions YOU would take to curb gun violence. Do you have any suggestions or are you going to default to insult like the other morons do?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this is completely ridiculous. the major difference between sports and guns is one CHOOSES to participate in sports. One KNOWINGLY accepts the risks of injury for the reward. this is apples and oranges.
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And one doesn't CHOOSE to carry a gun? One doesn't CHOOSE to fire it whether or not the situation warrants it? One doesn't KNOWINGLY accept the risk of injury or death by firing a gun?
 
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