Pledge Of Allegiance

indago said:
I see! Then you, in your "patriotism", supported the government complicity in moving American jobs to foreign lands; our involvement in Iraq; etc.
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I'd move my jobs too. America is not business friendly.

And Iraq was a bad move; I can say that in good conscience.

What else do you think I supported?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But it's a "notion" that only you are suggesting, so in actuality; it's not so much a "notion" and instead is just a strawman.
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Not hardly...

Critics feel that the pledge is incompatible with democracy and freedom, and suggest that pledges of allegiance are features of totalitarian states like Nazi Germany.
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"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest. Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions." — Justice Hugo Black

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." — Justice Robert Jackson

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Francis Bellamy, the author of the Pledge, was a former Baptist minister who preached that Jesus was a socialist. He was allied ideologically with his cousin, Edward Bellamy, one of the most renowned socialists of the late 19th century. Strongly opposed to the evils of capitalism,[31] Francis advocated income taxation, central banking, nationalized education, nationalization of industry, and other tenets of socialism. A primary objective of his was to replace the existing federalist view of the country (where states are sovereign) in the public's mind with a nationalist one that would open the way to creating a centralized government.

When provided the opportunity to write a pledge to the American flag in a campaign to sell flags to public schools, Bellamy turned to the words and principles of socialism.[32] Put simply, if American youth could to be taught “loyalty to the State”, it would pave the way for the socialist utopia that was described in his famous socialist cousin Edward Bellamy’s ‘Looking Backward”.[33] The central idea of “one nation” in the pledge was especially important for achieving his vision of the kind of consolidated, monopoly government necessary for a socialism to be adopted. Additionally, he considered adding the socialist bywords, “liberty, fraternity and equality”, but knew that state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans.

As Bellamy believed youth should be trained in devotion to the State, the public schools as a government institution were the perfect setting for planting the requisite fervent loyalty and patriotism.[34] To promote the Pledge nationwide, a “National Public School Celebration” was held 1892 on Columbus Day. It was the first government sponsored propaganda event on behalf of the Pledge of Allegiance. It was a massive campaign that involved government schools and politicians throughout the country. Not only was the Pledge recited en mass for the first time at the behest of government, but public schools were promoted while private schools, especially parochial ones, were criticized.
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signalmankenneth said:
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

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No shocker that your leftist sources couldn't even get the pledge right and would leave out "under God".

Leftists tend to hate America, hate Christians, hate God and hate job creators. No wonder cities like Detroit turn into cesspools of poverty and crime.
 
indago said:
Not hardly...



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"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest. Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions." — Justice Hugo Black

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." — Justice Robert Jackson

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You are wasting your time.

Whenever it becomes apparent to USF that he is in danger of losing a "debate", he will begin trotting out his usual diversionary tactics.

USF likes to bog down the debate by playing word games and demanding you answer his questions to his satisfaction before he will answer any questions you might have.

It's a tactic employed by quite a few low information Righties like Truth Deflector, USF, Right/Dumb Monkee, and several others.

USF has NO PLANS to ever continue discussing the subject, his only goal is to divert attention away from his lies.
 
indago said:
Not hardly...



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"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest. Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions." — Justice Hugo Black

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." — Justice Robert Jackson

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Did you really expect "critics" to say something different and there still wasn't anything supporting your claim of "Hail to the United States". :dunno:
 
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