Gerry Adams arrested as son of murdered Jean McConville demands justice

Great Britain equates their performance in Northern Ireland with that of the Irish Republic Army, ironically giving the IRA the military status it always wanted...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...l-not-be-prosecuted-after-police-blunder.html

British soldiers at risk of prosecution over Bloody Sunday should be granted the same amnesty secretly given to IRA terror suspects, politicians and former military leaders have said.

Prosecuting British troops for their role in the killings would be an “outrage” and “betrayal” after it emerged more than 180 alleged IRA members on the run were granted “get out of jail free” cards as part of the Northern Ireland peace process.

Up to 20 soldiers still face being formally questioned by police for alleged murder, attempted murder or criminal injury during the notorious incident.
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Not to mention the killings and disappearances caused by the loyalist paramilitaries, working in cooperation with police and military ....which oddly do not enjoy the same decades-old investigations that republican-related ones do.

The words of Patrick Pearse remain as accurate today as when first uttered: "Tyrants, hypocrites, liars!"
 
Taft2016 said:
Great Britain equates their performance in Northern Ireland with that of the Irish Republic Army, ironically giving the IRA the military status it always wanted...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...l-not-be-prosecuted-after-police-blunder.html



Not to mention the killings and disappearances caused by the loyalist paramilitaries, working in cooperation with police and military ....which oddly do not enjoy the same decades-old investigations that republican-related ones do.

The words of Patrick Pearse remain as accurate today as when first uttered: "Tyrants, hypocrites, liars!"
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Remind me, how many times did British soldiers drag a woman out of her house in front of her children, torture her, shoot her in the head and then bury her on a beach? No, you have to be a brave 'freedom fighter' to do that!! The Boston Tapes will reveal the truth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27238797
 

'I know who did it. If we tell we will be shot': Son of mother-of-ten abducted and killed by IRA reveals he was threatened to keep quiet as Gerry Adams is arrested and questioned over death for more than ten hours


  • Mother of ten abducted, murdered and secretly buried by Provisional IRA
  • The victim's body was found near a beach in County Louth in 2003
  • Gerry Adams being questioned for a second day after arrest last night
  • 'Freedom fighter'-turned-politician, 65, had night in cell in Co Antrim
  • In a statement issued via Sinn Fein he said: 'I am innocent'
  • Jean's son Michael saw terrorists smash their way in and abduct his mum
  • He has known for more than 40 years who his mother's killers are
  • 'If I told the police now me or one of my family members would get shot'
  • Martin McGuinness says arrest's 'politically motivated' led by 'dark forces'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617599/Gerry-Adams-spends-night-cell-arrest-son-murdered-Jean-McConville-today-demands-justice-mother-murdered-1972.html
 
Taft2016 said:
Great Britain equates their performance in Northern Ireland with that of the Irish Republic Army, ironically giving the IRA the military status it always wanted...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...l-not-be-prosecuted-after-police-blunder.html



Not to mention the killings and disappearances caused by the loyalist paramilitaries, working in cooperation with police and military ....which oddly do not enjoy the same decades-old investigations that republican-related ones do.

The words of Patrick Pearse remain as accurate today as when first uttered: "Tyrants, hypocrites, liars!"
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So dragging a woman out of her house in front of her young children, torturing her, killing her, then kidnapping her 11 yo son and holding a gun to his head to scare him is okay? WTF is wrong with you? I guess you and Tom can spend the next week arguing over who is worse. But none of this is admirable or anything less than morally repugnant.
 
Darla said:
Honestly I'd be hard-pressed to say which poster is more repugnant themselves, generally speaking.
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I wonder why she chose to replace 'Doesn't excuse what he did' with an ellipsis? Probably because she is so used to lying and distorting the truth that it comes as second nature to her.
 
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Darla said:
Honestly I'd be hard-pressed to say which poster is more repugnant themselves, generally speaking.
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I will give you props for recognising the total disgusting nature of this crime but otherwise I find you to be pretty repugnant as well. Not that will surprise you in the least.
 
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So dragging a woman out of her house in front of her young children, torturing her, killing her, then kidnapping her 11 yo son and holding a gun to his head to scare him is okay? WTF is wrong with you? I guess you and Tom can spend the next week arguing over who is worse. But none of this is admirable or anything less than morally repugnant.
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I can't believe one person can be the bearer of so much stupidity. You must think Castro Convertibles are Cuban sportscars.

As I've pointed out numerous times, this is the way this war was fought by the paramilitaries *ON BOTH SIDES.* It would be either sheer hypocrisy (as with Tom) or flaming ignorance (as with you) to single out either side for outrageous acts.

If the scenario Tom provided us is troublesome, how about the same exact scenario.... only this time the official British security forces acted in collusion with the loyalist paramilitaries (i.e., masked protestant terrorists) to kill the victim in front of his family? That aspect of it certainly makes it more troublesome to me. It is a rough equivalent of the FBI telling the Klan who to lynch, essentially state-sponsored terrorism.

I guess that's an example of the "bravery" of the British government.

But, I'm not really going to get too agitated. I'll just add Catholics to your "hate list" along with Jews.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n.../shot-lawyer-left-living-legacy-30004909.html

A lawyer murdered by loyalist paramilitaries with the collusion of the state left a physical legacy for protecting human rights in Northern Ireland, a senior judge said.

Pat Finucane, 40, was shot at his north Belfast home in front of his wife and children by a loyalist Ulster Defence Association (UDA) gang on February 12th, 1989.

Prime Minister David Cameron has accepted that there was collusion with the killers in the action of British state agencies ahead of the murder and apologised.

Mr Finucane's family have led a campaign for a full independent public inquiry into his death, promised by Britain's former Labour Government following a damning probe by a Canadian judge which concluded that the state colluded in the murder.

But they had to settle for a review which did not cross-examine witnesses carried out by Sir Desmond de Silva QC for Mr Cameron.

Amnesty International has claimed the British government's refusal to hold an independent inquiry into the murder 25 years ago was cruel and sinister.
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So the British government will still investigate 40 year-old cases involving Republican paramilitaries, but they steadfastly refuse to investigate their very own roles in the exact same types of incidents. 40 years later, not a single name has been given for liability in the Bloody Sunday shootings in Derry.

As Patrick Pearse said: "Tyrants. Hypocrites. Liars."
 
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Taft2016 said:
I can't believe one person can be the bearer of so much stupidity. You must think Castro Convertibles are Cuban sportscars.

As I've pointed out numerous times, this is the way this war was fought by the paramilitaries *ON BOTH SIDES.* It would be either sheer hypocrisy (as with Tom) or flaming ignorance (as with you) to single out either side for outrageous acts.

If the scenario Tom provided us is troublesome, how about the same exact scenario.... only this time the official British security forces acted in collusion with the loyalist paramilitaries (i.e., masked protestant terrorists) to kill the victim in front of his family? That aspect of it certainly makes it more troublesome to me. It is a rough equivalent of the FBI telling the Klan who to lynch, essentially state-sponsored terrorism.

I guess that's an example of the "bravery" of the British government.

But, I'm not really going to get too agitated. I'll just add Catholics to your "hate list" along with Jews.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n.../shot-lawyer-left-living-legacy-30004909.html


So the British government will still investigate 40 year-old cases involving Republican paramilitaries, but they steadfastly refuse to investigate their very own roles in the exact same events. 40 years later, not a single name has been given for liability in the Bloody Sunday shootings in Derry.

As Patrick Pearse said: "Tyrants. Hypocrites. Liars."
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It is not the British government, it is the PNSI investigating it but I doubt you are capable of seeing the difference. Maybe you could tell people about Bloody Friday?

There have been many terrible events in the history of Northern Ireland's conflict, but few have seared the collective consciousness of its people as those on Friday, 21 July 1972, a day that became known as Bloody Friday. By the end of the day, the IRA's Belfast brigade had detonated at least 20 bombs across the city. In just 75 minutes of violence, nine people were dead and some 130 more were mutilated, injured and mentally scarred by what they had witnessed. From the outset, the IRA's bombing of the city caused widespread chaos and stretched the security forces to the limit. Such was the scale of the attack, witnesses at the time remember seeing people running in all directions, not knowing where the bombs were being detonated. As one report at the time described the scene, "it was impossible for anyone to feel perfectly safe".

Car bombs
While the scale of the attack was huge, it was two car bombs that between them claimed the nine lives - one at the Oxford Street bus station in the city centre, the other outside shops in Cavehill Road in north Belfast. At Oxford St, the busiest bus station in Northern Ireland, four Ulsterbus workers and two soldiers were killed. When the emergency services reached the scene, they found that some of the victims had been literally blown to pieces, leading to initial estimates of a death toll of 11. At the Cavehill Road bomb, the victims were two women and a 14-year-old schoolboy. Of the 130 injured, 77 were women or children out shopping in the city centre. One police officer at the scene recalled the events for the BBC series Provos in 1997. "You could hear people screaming, crying and moaning. The first thing that caught my eye was a torso of a human being lying in the middle of the street," he told the series.

Collapsed ceasefire
In terms of furthering its cause among nationalists, the IRA's decision to carry out the Bloody Friday attacks proved to be a disaster. Earlier in the year, the IRA had experienced a massive propaganda and recruitment boost after the Parachute Regiment killed 13 protesters during Bloody Sunday in Derry. Many joined believing that they had no other way to defend their communities. By June, the organisation felt confident enough to call a ceasefire and hold secret talks with British ministers in London. Those talks came to nothing and the ceasefire collapsed. Bloody Friday was part of a deliberate decision to ratchet up a campaign and make normal life impossible. But after causing the deaths, the IRA tried to blame the security forces for failing to act on warnings. Ultimately Bloody Friday revealed a side to the organisation that many who had joined in the wake of Bloody Sunday had not wished to acknowledge. Within 10 days of the attacks, the army moved in to the Bogside area of Derry to take control of a part of the city that had become out-of-bounds, marking the beginning of a long war of attrition by both sides.

Denials
In later years, an IRA leader at the time, Sean MacStiofain, said that the aim of the Bloody Friday attacks had been to cause financial damage - but he still refused to accept responsibility. "It required only one man with a loud hailer to clear each target area in no time," he said. "Republicans were convinced that the British had deliberately disregarded these two warnings for strategic policy reasons." Bloody Friday was by no means the last atrocity of 1972. It remains the bloodiest year of the conflict in Northern Ireland. By the end of 1972, 496 had been killed, 258 of them civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2132219.stm
 
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Abraxas said:
Remind me, how many times did British soldiers drag a woman out of her house in front of her children, torture her, shoot her in the head and then bury her on a beach? No, you have to be a brave 'freedom fighter' to do that!! The Boston Tapes will reveal the truth.
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So now you wish to equate the Republican paramilitaries with the British military? Is this something you do for convenience? Because the British government has refused to make the equation for decades, most notably Margaret Thatcher.

Nonetheless, I thank you for that. That equation then makes the loyalist paramilitaries terrorists and criminals, protected by a rogue government.

Now remind me, how many times did the IRA fire into crowds of unarmed Protestants? I guess you have to be a brave soldier of the Queen to do that!! :awesome:
 
Taft2016 said:
So now you wish to equate the Republican paramilitaries with the British military? Is this something you do for convenience? Because the British government has refused to make the equation for decades, most notably Margaret Thatcher.

Nonetheless, I thank you for that. That equation then makes the loyalist paramilitaries terrorists and criminals, protected by a rogue government.

Now remind me, how many times did the IRA fire into crowds of unarmed Protestants? I guess you have to be a brave soldier of the Queen to do that!! :awesome:
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The IRA were too cowardly to do something like that, they much preferred to skulk around at night, setting off car bombs after hijacking the cars at gunpoint, killing innocent people, robbing banks, getting arms from Ghaddafi, organising protection rackets, running drugs, gambling and pimping women. In many respects they were, and still are, no different to the Mafiosi.
 
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We can go back and forth on the Troubles all day.

But your position of a moral high ground for the British government will never hold.
 
Taft2016 said:
I can't believe one person can be the bearer of so much stupidity. You must think Castro Convertibles are Cuban sportscars.

As I've pointed out numerous times, this is the way this war was fought by the paramilitaries *ON BOTH SIDES.* It would be either sheer hypocrisy (as with Tom) or flaming ignorance (as with you) to single out either side for outrageous acts.

If the scenario Tom provided us is troublesome, how about the same exact scenario.... only this time the official British security forces acted in collusion with the loyalist paramilitaries (i.e., masked protestant terrorists) to kill the victim in front of his family? That aspect of it certainly makes it more troublesome to me. It is a rough equivalent of the FBI telling the Klan who to lynch, essentially state-sponsored terrorism.

I guess that's an example of the "bravery" of the British government.

But, I'm not really going to get too agitated. I'll just add Catholics to your "hate list" along with Jews.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n.../shot-lawyer-left-living-legacy-30004909.html



So the British government will still investigate 40 year-old cases involving Republican paramilitaries, but they steadfastly refuse to investigate their very own roles in the exact same types of incidents. 40 years later, not a single name has been given for liability in the Bloody Sunday shootings in Derry.

As Patrick Pearse said: "Tyrants. Hypocrites. Liars."
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I don't give either side the "moral high ground", which is exactly what I said you stupid, pontificating, blowhard. I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone who thinks so much of themselves based on so little.
 
Abraxas said:
The IRA were too cowardly to do something like that, they much preferred to skulk around at night, setting off car bombs after hijacking the cars at gunpoint, killing innocent people, robbing banks, getting arms from Ghaddafi, organising protection rackets, running drugs, gambling and pimping women. In many respects they were and still are no different to the Mafiosi.
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Speaking of cowardly, how about the British government? They deputized the loyalist paramilitaries to do their dirty work and looked the other way when it was carried out.

The British turned a deliberate blind eye as the loyalist paramilitaries got arms shipments and explosives from the apartheid regime in South Africa, who felt a special kinship with the Protestants in Northern Ireland.
 
I am pretty sure Taft is a cab-driver. Hilariously, my friend took a cab in Queens this week, and the driver, apropos of nothing, turned around to her and announced "I'm a Jew. You have a problem with a Jewish cab driver?"

So my friend tells him, uh, I'm a Jew too, and no I don't have a problem with a Jewish cab driver.

The driver then announces "I'm 100% Jew!" "I thought you were Jewish when you got in. You talk like a Jew." By the end of the drive my friend was afraid she was never going to make to Forest Hills alive.

As soon as I heard this i thought, Taft says he lives in Queens and this has him written all over it. Driving a cab, sniffing out "jew-haters". Yep.
 
Taft2016 said:
We can go back and forth on the Troubles all day.

But your position of a moral high ground for the British government will never hold.
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I would love to see how long the US government would have tolerated an ersatz army, about ten minutes I would say. They would all have been executed a long time ago, you only have to look to Kent State to see what would have happened. Why aren't you demanding that the soldiers who fired on those defenceless students be tried for their crimes?
 
Darla said:
I don't give either side the "moral high ground", which is exactly what I said you stupid, pontificating, blowhard. I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone who thinks so much of themselves based on so little.
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Nowhere in my post to you did I say "moral high ground." I said there was an equivalency on both sides that you are obviously ignorant of, as indeed you are equally ignorant on most subjects.

I just provided you with a mirror example of what you condemned the Republicans for. Your options now are to either:

a. Condemn the mirror example
b. Excuse it
c. Applaud it
d. Ignore it like Tom does

I happen to think it's worse because it was carried out with the collusion of the British government. Do you approve of the British government helping loyalist paramilitaries identify people for murder?
 
Taft2016 said:
Ah, the old "But I have Jewish friends" dodge from anti-semites.

And oldie, but a goodie!

:rolleyes:
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Unfortunately, she really is Jewish. In my defense, we became friends when we were 11 and moved into the same new very high-end development. You can imagine how shocked my parents were to discover they even let Jews in, and at 11, I wasn't fully aware of how heinous Jews are. By time I knew, I already loved her. It happens.

When I am sitting around Jew-bashing, as I am wont to do, sometimes I get a bit carried away talking about how Hitler wasn't all wrong...but I always take care to say to her "not YOU though, of course...you're one of the good ones". Then I pat her on the hand. It seems to mollify her, but who knows, you know how you people are.
 
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