do you even read my posts? I already debunked that as well.
It's just overall averages, it's not looking at it job for job, hour for hour, experience for experience.
I'll refer you to my full post: #59
Women Don't Want More Than Men
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do you even read my posts? I already debunked that as well.
It's just overall averages, it's not looking at it job for job, hour for hour, experience for experience.
I'll refer you to my full post: #59
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The Almighty
Fukin hilarious... thank you for proving exactly what we said. You are delusional. You are so caught up in how unfair and unjust the world is for poor little you that you refuse to read any data that shows you are wrong. Just like you do on global warming.
Tell us Darla... are all jobs the exact same? Require the exact same hours? Same experience? No? Then shouldn't we compare how people are paid in specific jobs. Say match up an accountant vs. accountant for the same company, same hours, same experience requirements?
LMAO... because you CAN'T. You are in such denial that you simply vanish into your fantasy world where you are so wronged.
Girl Power!
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The Almighty
Well, the dems and Darla do count on the moron vote...
cawacko
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I know exactly what I wrote there. When confronted with the fact that women in the administration make $0.88 to what the men make Jay Carney described they weren't getting paid differently for the same jobs. Yet when Obama is speaking that women make $0.77 to what men make he doesn't make that distinction. He wants women to think they are only getting $0.77 for the same job so they will be outraged and make it look like he and the Democrats are the one's who want to fix it while the Republicans don't.
If that works to win over women voters then more power to Obama and the Democrats but as a woman I wouldn't be bragging about that.
cawacko
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Is there a particular takeaway we should focus on here?
Just compare the median weekly earnings of women and men for pretty much any occupation.
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The Almighty
yes, his point is that we should not look at experience, hours worked etc... and instead should just pretend that every 'manager' in a sector does the exact same thing. That everyone has the exact same qualifications, works the same hours etc... Because if we pretend that, then he can point to the avg and pretend that women make 77 cents on the dollar.
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The Almighty
and they have obviously been adjusted for average hours worked and experience? Right? I mean we do want to account for that... right Dung?
Someone who "gets" it (emphasis mine):
President Obama had two “equal pay for equal work” speaking events planned around that statistic, and now he has to backpedal. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) is leading the Equal Pay Day push by Senate Democrats to pass the Paycheck Fairness Act. (Shhh, don’t tell anyone that he pays women on his staff far less than he pays men.)
And! On Tuesday, ABC Nightly News made “income inequality” for women their lead story with a special report highlighting the income inequality between men and women using a well sourced single example, along with some very impressive graphics!
Neither the president nor the ABC News special report ever mentioned that factors such as education, experience or type of job come into play. They stated it as an irrefutable fact when it is irrefutably misleading. It sounds good, but the facts don’t match the narrative.
This is just the latest in a series of distraction tactics to talk about anything except ObamaCare and its utter failure to do what the president and the Democrats promised it would accomplish. Or maybe they just misspoke about what ObamaCare would do. I don’t think so!
Maybe Obama and Christina Romer, former chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisors, misspoke when they said five years ago that the nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending would drive the unemployment rate down below 8 percent. Well, it did not get below 8 percent until the administration fudged the numbers just before the 2012 presidential election. What a coincidence!
Maybe Obama misspoke when he said there is not even a “smidgen of corruption” in the IRS. Some IRS agents have recently testified before a House committee that conservative groups were targeted. This is while Lois Lerner takes the Fifth and refuses to talk, and the IRS Commissioner drags his feet on turning over Lerner’s emails.
Neither printed space nor air-time will allow all of the supposedly misspoken statements by the president, his administration and other Democrats to be cited here, but the pattern is clear. They misspeak to achieve their political objective or narrative, and then with the help of a biased MSM they just stop talking about it, and throw out another distraction topic for the MSM to swallow and chase “hook, line and sinker.”
The credibility of Obama and the Democrats is non-existent with many of us, but too many people are still clueless or in denial.
Next up on the Democrats’ distraction tactics play book is their “Koch addition”. Chuck Schumer, the senior senator from New York, said so – even as we and others were showing you yesterday that he sent the Koch Brothers a fawning letter in 2009 thanking them for contributing to his re-election campaign!
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62301
BINGO!!
President Obama had two “equal pay for equal work” speaking events planned around that statistic, and now he has to backpedal. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) is leading the Equal Pay Day push by Senate Democrats to pass the Paycheck Fairness Act. (Shhh, don’t tell anyone that he pays women on his staff far less than he pays men.)
And! On Tuesday, ABC Nightly News made “income inequality” for women their lead story with a special report highlighting the income inequality between men and women using a well sourced single example, along with some very impressive graphics!
Neither the president nor the ABC News special report ever mentioned that factors such as education, experience or type of job come into play. They stated it as an irrefutable fact when it is irrefutably misleading. It sounds good, but the facts don’t match the narrative.
This is just the latest in a series of distraction tactics to talk about anything except ObamaCare and its utter failure to do what the president and the Democrats promised it would accomplish. Or maybe they just misspoke about what ObamaCare would do. I don’t think so!
Maybe Obama and Christina Romer, former chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisors, misspoke when they said five years ago that the nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending would drive the unemployment rate down below 8 percent. Well, it did not get below 8 percent until the administration fudged the numbers just before the 2012 presidential election. What a coincidence!
Maybe Obama misspoke when he said there is not even a “smidgen of corruption” in the IRS. Some IRS agents have recently testified before a House committee that conservative groups were targeted. This is while Lois Lerner takes the Fifth and refuses to talk, and the IRS Commissioner drags his feet on turning over Lerner’s emails.
Neither printed space nor air-time will allow all of the supposedly misspoken statements by the president, his administration and other Democrats to be cited here, but the pattern is clear. They misspeak to achieve their political objective or narrative, and then with the help of a biased MSM they just stop talking about it, and throw out another distraction topic for the MSM to swallow and chase “hook, line and sinker.”
The credibility of Obama and the Democrats is non-existent with many of us, but too many people are still clueless or in denial.
Next up on the Democrats’ distraction tactics play book is their “Koch addition”. Chuck Schumer, the senior senator from New York, said so – even as we and others were showing you yesterday that he sent the Koch Brothers a fawning letter in 2009 thanking them for contributing to his re-election campaign!
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62301
BINGO!!
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Darla
The .77 cents on the dollar does not make those comparisons, however others do, and though the gap is less than the widely quoted .77 cents, it still exists.
Here's an article that explains and links to all of the relevant studies:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/08/3424043/gender-wage-gap-myth/
I really don't mind guys like you, SF and Grind continuing to hold your fingers in your ears yelling "I can't hear you I can't hear you". It all works out well in the end. For me anyway. For you guys? Well, as I told SF when he held his fingers in his ears over and yelled 'THERE IS NO WAR ON WOMEN YOU MORON" over and over...let me know how that works out for you.
Yeah, you guys lost
So you think these women are being FORCED to work for less? I am amused when an ugly fat repugnant dunce like you declares others ignorant.
Of course you won’t answer the question honestly because it destroys the moronic claims you and the other low information gullible dunces are trying to make.
Now bow to Obama you ignorant dupe.
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Darla
I also love how you guys gloss right over the systemic gender problems in this country. As if the .77 cents just exists and of course has nothing to do with public policy. Meanwhile what are two of the most important issues to working women? Paid family leave and affordable, safe, child care.
Keep yappin. See how far it gets you.
Keep yappin. See how far it gets you.
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The Almighty
Just that Carney was caught in his hypocrisy...
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The Almighty
LMAO... again... if it was public policy, wouldn't it be prudent to compare all the other variables? Then you could see what the gap truly was, as it relates to policy.
The fact that you point out the most important issues to women that are paid leave and child care, yet you don't comprehend that is a PART of benefits. So if women CHOOSE to focus on jobs/careers that provide better paid fam leave and child care, might that not affect overall wages? If they are getting benefits that aren't salary, that do have monetary value... should we not adjust for that?
One of us is most certainly yapping... it just isn't the one that you think it is.
cawacko
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As a point of reference what has President Obama proposed from a legislative perspective during his tenure or the Democratic Congress?
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The Almighty
Oddly enough... they trot out this nonsense every two years, right before an election... then silence after the election. Because they, like Darla, knows that the bulk of the difference lies in hours worked, experience and job selection. When you compare a man and woman in the same company with the same experience etc... that there isn't much of a difference.
That is why her studies lump 'business' grads together (because all 'business' jobs are the same)... likewise 'engineers' are all lumped together. Admittedly you would have to have a very well funded study to look deeper, but in reality, that is not what Darla wants. Darla just wants to whine about how unfair it all is. Dems, like Obama, just want to stoke the flames of the morons on the left who buy into the nonsense.
Are there improvements that can be made... sure. But the 'gap' is nowhere close to what the propagandists on the left would have people believe.