FDNY Entrance Exam Biased Against Minorities?

Taft2016 said:
I'll just refer you back to the OP and ask you identify what you find the questions that form this basis of "discriminatory."

And I'll wish you luck. The folks at the Village Voice are far to the left of even you, and they couldn't find anything.
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LOL:

 
Bonestorm said:
The Village Voice didn't have to prove anything. That the test is racially discriminatory had already been proven in a court of law in a suit brought by GWB's Justice Department. And the decision was affirmed on appeal. So . . . yeah, it's discriminatory.

Maybe you should just post about hoopdees and fancy bling and such.
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Which of those questions posted on here are discriminatory?
 
Abraxas said:
Which of those questions posted on here are discriminatory?
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The lawsuit that was settled did not alleged that any of the ten questions posted on here are discriminatory. It alleged that the examinations were discriminatory. And that allegation was proven, leading to a ruling against the City, which was upheld on appeal.
 
Bonestorm said:
The lawsuit that was settled did not alleged that any of the ten questions posted on here are discriminatory. It alleged that the examinations were discriminatory. And that allegation was proven, leading to a ruling against the City, which was upheld on appeal.
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So what was discriminatory about them, you ought to be able to tell us that at least.
 
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Sun Devil said:
Taft why are you making this a liberal and conservative issue? I'm sure there is more to the story than what you're posting here, besides the above example test you posted for the most part is common sense.
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He can't help it. He is a racist. It is what they do. That and accuse liberals of hating Jews.
 
Taft2016 said:
Trust me my friend. Liberals are not going to near this thread with a 10' FDNY ladder. This thread is going to quietly slide off the front page unaddressed by liberals.

Facts like this explode their "victimization" myth.

The only people victimized by this nonsense are the taxpayers. Again.
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I'll bite!
Liberals are fucking you in the ass cause you like it!
 
Bonestorm said:
Do you remember George W. Bush and the kids of people he hired in the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department? Google Hans Von Spakovsky. These are the people that you think were pandering to minority special interests? And four separate federal court judges were in on it? LOL.




Yeah, your casual racism is awesome.
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And BINGO; dungheap plays the Bush card. :palm:
 
Abraxas said:
Apparently not, it usually takes much more to stop you when you are in full flow.
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The argument appears to be that whatever evidence we have should be ignored, that contradictory investigatory journalism by left-wing publications should be ignored, and that we should exercise blind faith in the Bush Justice Department's ability to decide what is right and just for all of us.

My diagnosis is that Obama's unchecked Big Brother practices have acted as an antidote of sorts to their once virulent Bush Derangement Syndrome. I can recall the days when the mere mention of the names "Ashcroft" and "Gonzalez" had liberals foaming at the mouth, gnashing their teeth, and tearing at their hair. Now they sit back, gazing blankly with Children-of-the-Corn eyes, waiting for the government to them them what is what.

Or, it could just be another manifestation of the 47% not giving a crap how much taxpayer money the government doles out.
 
Taft2016 said:
The argument appears to be that whatever evidence we have should be ignored, that contradictory investigatory journalism by left-wing publications should be ignored, and that we should exercise blind faith in the Bush Justice Department's ability to decide what is right and just for all of us.
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The argument is that a federal district court, with the benefit of a full and complete record (as opposed to a subset of 10 questions from a single test), found that the tests were discriminatory and issued a ruling to that effect, which ruling was upheld on appeal. If you want to argue that the test is not discriminatory, you should start by looking that the opinions that issued from the federal district court and the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and explain how each of those courts got it wrong. I'm sure the opinions are available online.


Taft2016 said:
My diagnosis is that Obama's unchecked Big Brother practices have acted as an antidote of sorts to their once virulent Bush Derangement Syndrome. I can recall the days when the mere mention of the names "Ashcroft" and "Gonzalez" had liberals foaming at the mouth, gnashing their teeth, and tearing at their hair. Now they sit back, gazing blankly with Children-of-the-Corn eyes, waiting for the government to them them what is what.

Or, it could just be another manifestation of the 47% not giving a crap how much taxpayer money the government doles out.
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Smart take.
 
Sun Devil said:
And I hope conservatives who idolize a "mafioso" get shot in the face.

(Shrug)
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Who is this "mafioso" some conservatives "idolize"?

The nearest thing that comes to mind is the taped telephone conversation between Bill Clinton and Gennifer Flowers, when they discussed Mario Cuomo being a mafioso.

Not too many conservatives idolize Mario, or his son for that matter.
 
The article states "Here are what we considered the 10 most painfully obvious questions." It doesn't say that the minorities flunked the most painfully obvious questions.

In my experience most multiple-choice tests start with the painfully obvious questions and get increasingly harder. There's not enough info here to determine why the test was biased but when I see an exam where one race or nationality outperforms all the rest, I immediately think that the test was biased toward that group, not that all the other takers were idiots.
 
Bonestorm said:
The argument is that a federal district court, with the benefit of a full and complete record (as opposed to a subset of 10 questions from a single test), found that the tests were discriminatory and issued a ruling to that effect, which ruling was upheld on appeal. If you want to argue that the test is not discriminatory, you should start by looking that the opinions that issued from the federal district court and the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and explain how each of those courts got it wrong. I'm sure the opinions are available online.

Smart take.
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I am sure that you could provide the evidence if you put your mind to it, never stopped you in the past.
 
christiefan915 said:
The article states "Here are what we considered the 10 most painfully obvious questions." It doesn't say that the minorities flunked the most painfully obvious questions.

In my experience most multiple-choice tests start with the painfully obvious questions and get increasingly harder. There's not enough info here to determine why the test was biased but when I see an exam where one race or nationality outperforms all the rest, I immediately think that the test was biased toward that group, not that all the other takers were idiots.
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Taft makes the entirely reasonable point that the Village Voice, the bible of liberalism is ridiculing this test, I am fairly certain that they had access to the rest of it as well.
 
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