Crimea.

Abraxas said:
Didn't bother the US when they invaded Iraq illegally.
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The terms of the 1991 cease fire were constantly being violated. Repeated attempts to enforce them were resisted.

A resumption of hostilities, based upon violation the cease fire, was complete legal.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And yet you try to justify your own illegal activity by claiming it was ethical, moral, and smart.
Odd how your definitions change, when it benefits you.
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He's just pissed off we stopped Saddam from handing out those $25,000 bounties to surviving family members of suicide bombers in Israel.
 
actually, I found that behavior by Saddam to be quite despicable. Someone steered you wrong when they said I didn't like Jews... I am a HUGE fan of Israel, and always have been.

But clearly, it isn't the first time you've been way far from right.
 
and I knew full well the legal issues that confronted my bringing a weapon into Mexico. I had to get from point A to point B... the road between them was fraught with danger. I made a decision to take steps to protect my family... I know it was illegal and have never said or implied otherwise.... and I'd do it again if I ever had to drive through Tamaulipas.
 
Taft2016 said:
The terms of the 1991 cease fire were constantly being violated. Repeated attempts to enforce them were resisted.

A resumption of hostilities, based upon violation the cease fire, was complete legal.
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The trouble is that every time the U.S. decides that international law doesn't apply, it sends a message to other countries like Russia that they can do likewise. It was an illegal war against Iraq and it violated the UN Charter. Only self-defence or if it is approved by as security council resolution can a nation legally use force. A resolution was never even brought forward because they knew France and Russia would veto it and probably China would have abstained.

General Wesley Clark, the former Supreme NATO Allied Commander and Joint Chiefs of Staff Director of Strategy and Policy, describes in his 2003 book, Winning Modern Wars, his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: "As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan."
 
Jarod said:
I am not a professor of Crimean history or the politics of this spot of land, however I do know a few things and have studied Russian history.

Crimea, a very strategic spot for oil distribution, has been the subject of a chess match for power for a very long time. It was a part of the former USSR most of that time as its importance rose in the early part of this century. Granted, Crimea was an important shipping center prior to the importance of oil, but not as strategic of a location as it is in modern terms.

So is what Russia has done so terrible or are we upset because we are losing access to an important strategic location?

Since the end of the USSR, Ukraine has been the subject of a great tug-a-war between Eastern and Western interests. Crimea was a location that many ethnic Russians had migrated to during the Soviet period. When Ukraine fell apart a month or so ago the area came under anarchy. (Now what caused Ukraine to fall apart, who pushed and who pulled and who set that up is a legit question) While this area was under anarchy Russia saw a land directly on its border with a majority of ethnic Russians in anarchy. They sent in troops and set up an election. The new Ukraine had intended to do the same thing, after rebel factions took extra constitutional action by throwing out their government, they were taking action to set up a vote that would have favored their interests.

So here we sit, to me there is no "moral" side, only the side that is in our best interests. What should we do, press for our advantage, which is the same thing Russia did, or relax and not get involved.

What I hate to see is this ranting about how we have a moral obligation to stop the evil Putin and evil Russia, any action we take is just as biased and self interested as the action they are taking.
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A BIG thing for Russia is the Black Sea Port as a naval ship point at Sevastopol. The Crimea is really no different than when Putin took Georgia: GW Bush of course did nothing. Yeah, I think this whole thing pretty much boils down to the port.
 
Abraxas said:
The trouble is that every time the U.S. decides that international law doesn't apply, it sends a message to other countries like Russia that they can do likewise.
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To the contrary, the cease fire agreement, particularly the unfettered access for weapons inspections and the no-fly zones, *WERE* international law, as President Bush reminded the United Nations.

Allowing them to be violated at will virtually negated any notion of international law.
 
Right said:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-03-05.html
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You cons are just jiffy quick with getting and disseminating the RW talking points. I'm embarrassed for you, not a single original thought among you.

"...Republicans have broadened the assault whenever possible. Shamefully but effectively, many of them made Obama, not Vladimir Putin, the prime culprit in Putin’s invasion of Crimea, hanging the word “weak” around the president’s neck. Democrats thought the killing of Osama bin Laden would forever guard Obama from comparisons with Jimmy Carter. They did not reckon with the GOP’s determination to Carterize and McGovernize any Democrat who comes along."
 
Truth Detector said:
Gee I don't know Jarod; how would you have felt if NATO sent in troops and annexed Crimea from the Ukraine?

I am amused by your argument that this is about "western interests" versus "Russian" when "western interests" are that Ukrainian territory should not be invaded by a neighboring nation via an illegal invasion.

DUH
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So, what did GW do when Putin invaded Georgia?
 
jet57 said:
So, what did GW do when Putin invaded Georgia?
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He sent humanitarian aid through out military, put sanctions in place, and by December 2008 the Russians were pulling out most of their troops.

Obama came into office and lifted the sanctions.

Anything else you need to know?
 
maineman said:
and I knew full well the legal issues that confronted my bringing a weapon into Mexico. I had to get from point A to point B... the road between them was fraught with danger. I made a decision to take steps to protect my family... I know it was illegal and have never said or implied otherwise.... and I'd do it again if I ever had to drive through Tamaulipas.
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So you would illegally take your gun out of your house, in violation of Mexican law, and travel with it.
See how easy it is to explain away your criminal behavior, the more you engage in it.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So you would illegally take your gun out of your house, in violation of Mexican law, and travel with it.
See how easy it is to explain away your criminal behavior, the more you engage in it.
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I wonder why he'd need a gun in Mexico? Are there many Jews there for him to shoot?
 
christiefan915 said:
You cons are just jiffy quick with getting and disseminating the RW talking points. I'm embarrassed for you, not a single original thought among you.

"...Republicans have broadened the assault whenever possible. Shamefully but effectively, many of them made Obama, not Vladimir Putin, the prime culprit in Putin’s invasion of Crimea, hanging the word “weak” around the president’s neck. Democrats thought the killing of Osama bin Laden would forever guard Obama from comparisons with Jimmy Carter. They did not reckon with the GOP’s determination to Carterize and McGovernize any Democrat who comes along."
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I find her so inspirational. Don't you? :D
 
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