Conservatives Outraged!

And for completely shitting up and trolling what had the potential to be an interesting discussion, Rune the Homophobe gets flushed into my bin, joining Evince and Christie.

And for not realizing that the entire point of this entire thread was to flush racist conservatives out into the open, you fall into the even more ignorant than we thought possible category.

To summarise; you just spent 16 pages defending slavery and slave owners you racist piece of shit. Maybe one of the brothers in Queens will provide the world with the poetic justice which would be your death at the hands of a black man.
 
I don't think you really understand what you are talking about - the question is how soon we can get shot of this divisive filth and run the slaveowning capitalist scumbags off the earth, not to go on hopelessly trying to divide people who have now a wonderfully-mixed genetic background which is improving everyone..

I see.

Therefore, the liberal race-pimps in the USA are merely ignorant pawns of great capitalist slave masters?

I like that.

I think it's batshyte, but I like it.
 
In this thread, as in many others, you run from me, while claiming I am stupid. Prove you are capable of debate, rather than just mud slinging, and respond to my replies to you.

Otherwise you will be known as the racist lying coward that you are.

I am sorry he talks about disabled children in this fashion, it always makes me sad when people use these innocents in their insults, but I am one of those emotional, loony liberals.
 
And for completely shitting up and trolling what had the potential to be an interesting discussion, Rune the Homophobe gets flushed into my bin, joining Evince and Christie.

If you really were dumb enough to bin me, you made my job of ridiculing you even easier. You see, you may not see when I point out the errors of your ways, but everyone else will. Idiot.
 
And for not realizing that the entire point of this entire thread was to flush racist conservatives out into the open, you fall into the even more ignorant than we thought possible category.

To summarise; you just spent 16 pages defending slavery and slave owners you racist piece of shit. Maybe one of the brothers in Queens will provide the world with the poetic justice which would be your death at the hands of a black man.


Rune and Christie, on ignore, lol, that's rich.
 
I am sorry he talks about disabled children in this fashion, it always makes me sad when people use these innocents in their insults, but I am one of those emotional, loony liberals.

It is no more grave a moral crime than any of his racist beliefs my dear.
 
Rune and Christie, on ignore, lol, that's rich.

I can almost see his point with me, since I am an abject prick when it comes to belittling racists as well as conservatards and idiots in general, but Christie? Really? Putting Christie on ignore makes it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is running from her irrefutable logic, as he is from mine.

Bottom line, Taft is a cowardly lying racist conservatard, basically useless to the entire world, though not harmless. Thank the good lord his time has come and gone, and his type is dying out.
 
I am sorry he talks about disabled children in this fashion, it always makes me sad when people use these innocents in their insults, but I am one of those emotional, loony liberals.

Not that I feel any need to defend myself, but he accused me of lying about my family. Based on nothing.

So I accused him of lying about his family. Again, based on nothing.

I wasn't talking about actual children with actual birth defects. I was talking about Rune's children, who don't exist, because he's lying.

:rolleyes:
 
Not that I feel any need to defend myself, but he accused me of lying about my family. Based on nothing.

So I accused him of lying about his family. Again, based on nothing.

I wasn't talking about actual children with actual birth defects. I was talking about Rune's children, who don't exist, because he's lying.

:rolleyes:
Am I? Too bad you are too stupid to realize that more than a few members of this forum are well aware of my children. Oops, I guess you got caught in another lie.

So much for your already lacking credibility, retard man.
 
Not that I feel any need to defend myself, but he accused me of lying about my family. Based on nothing.

So I accused him of lying about his family. Again, based on nothing.

I wasn't talking about actual children with actual birth defects. I was talking about Rune's children, who don't exist, because he's lying.

:rolleyes:

So, it is okay to call pretend children with disabilities, flatheads?

I am sorry, I don't think your excuse flies, but, children with disabilities is one of my causes and I dislike using them as a way to insult.

I always let everyone know, eventually I just quit bitching because it is such a common insult.
 
So, it is okay to call pretend children with disabilities, flatheads?

So it's OK to use gay marriage as a tool of ridicule? You don't see a need to address that? Interesting...

I am sorry, I don't think your excuse flies

I really don't care what you think. Selective outrage has never really impressed me. :rolleyes:

Oh, and wife's daughter from a previous marriage was left mentally retarded by a seizure disorder she still has. But obviously, I'm lying about that too. :rolleyes:

And the only reason I mentioned I was in an interracial marriage was because I was called a "racist" and a "defender of slavery," all of which are also transparent lies, intended to distract the discussion from the thread topic. And since Rune loves to run down tangents when he's getting his ass kicked on the topic at hand, I knew he'd simply latch onto my wife's race and chase it down a rathole ascribing all sorts of sinister motives to our relationship, because, after all, I'm "a racist."

You initially showed some promise of some thoughtful on-topic discussion, but that promise seems to have faded away too.

So I guess we're done here.
 
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So it's OK to use gay marriage as a tool of ridicule? You don't see a need to address that? Interesting...



I really don't care what you think. Selective outrage has never really impressed me. :rolleyes:

Oh, and wife's daughter from a previous marriage was left mentally retarded by a seizure disorder she still has. But obviously, I'm lying about that too. :rolleyes:

And the only reason I mentioned I was in an interracial marriage was because I was called a "racist" and a "defender of slavery," all of which are also transparent lies, intended to distract the discussion from the thread topic. And since Rune loves to run down tangents when he's getting his ass kicked on the topic at hand, I knew he'd simply latch onto my wife's race and chase it down a rathole ascribing all sorts of sinister motives to our relationship, because, after all, I'm "a racist."

You initially showed some promise of some thoughtful on-topic discussion, but that promise seems to have faded away too.

So I guess we're done here.

No, using gay slurs is not right, but it is another thing I quickly tired of asking people to stop.

Gay insults are like breathing to most males.

I never accused you of lying, so don't go all emo on me. It is your bone to pick with Rune. I have remained mostly civil in our discussion.

You are sensitive to disabled children, you don't care what I think, but having had a relationship with one, I would hope for more sensitivity.
 
I can almost see his point with me, since I am an abject prick when it comes to belittling racists as well as conservatards and idiots in general, but Christie? Really? Putting Christie on ignore makes it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is running from her irrefutable logic, as he is from mine.

Bottom line, Taft is a cowardly lying racist conservatard, basically useless to the entire world, though not harmless. Thank the good lord his time has come and gone, and his type is dying out.

The irony of this most is incredible. You claim to have me on ignore, which means you're a chicken shit.
 
I see.

Therefore, the liberal race-pimps in the USA are merely ignorant pawns of great capitalist slave masters?

I like that.

I think it's batshyte, but I like it.

Put it into Chinese, Taft - I used to understand Chinese once. I feel we are somehow not quite on the right wavelength here! :)
 
I'll have to answer this timorrow, I have to fix a sink right now. I'm still laughing over the guy who asked me if I meant the 18th century or the 1800's like there was a difference. Defeating lefties is like shooting crippled fish in a barrel.

Do you seriously not know the difference between the 18th century and the 1800s? Do you know the differnce between a tap on your head and a tap on your sink?
 
There is a very famous book published in the 70s called Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Slavery. It caused much controversy at the time for having the audacity to infer that not all slaves were treated badly.

Fogel and Engerman's work turns to primary sources to figure out exactly what the economics of slavery in the American South were like. It turns out that the predominant views are wrong: slavery wasn't unprofitable, slaves were well-nourished and lived almost as long as free laborers, slave families were rarely split up, resistance to slave-owners was rare, and on and on. Farms worked by slaves were 1/3 more efficient that farms worked by free laborers, and slaves received on average more of that higher income than free laborers did. A small proportion of slaves worked as skilled workers in management, engineering, or various crafts. Some of these earned higher incomes than their free counterparts.

Since this is only a book on the economics of slavery (as the book's subtitle says), it cannot examine the psychological or ethical damage that slavery caused, as the authors acknowledge. They do acknowledge that while slaves received a higher proportion of the pecuniary income they produced as wages, food, clothing, housing, and medical care than free laborers did, they also acknowledge that the non-pecuniary costs of slavery to the slaves themselves was enormous. The higher productivity of slave-worked farms was made possible, obviously enough, by forcing the slaves to do what free laborers could not be paid to do: work longer hours in a more regulated, larger farm. Interestingly enough, the gain in productivity this resulted in, while conveyed in small part to the slaves themselves in the form of higher income, did not accrue entirely or even in the most part to the planters. Rather, about half of it accrued to the consumers of cotton. Since most of cotton was exported (primarily to Britain, where most of the cotton was made into clothing), the primary beneficiaries of American slavery were people who bought cotton goods. This is because producing and selling cotton was a competitive industry, where real profits tend toward zero. Thus, while the planters exploited the slaves in reality by whipping them and forcing them to work in ways free laborers would not, the resultant pecuniary exploitation of slaves was accomplished by capitalism.

But perhaps the most interesting thing the book discusses is how the myth of unproductive slaves has contributed to contemporary racism. According to the contemporary racist view, blacks are lazy, morally degenerate, and immature. Fogel and Engerman show that, under slavery, blacks were none of these things. In fact, the evidence shows that they were harder working and more sexually circumspect on average than their free white counterparts.

What the authors point out as a reason there were not more slave revolts is that, given the fact that both Northerners and Southerners were racists, free blacks had little economic, social, or political opportunity. Free blacks in the North were not permitted to do all kinds of things. It would seem that many blacks rationally decided they were better off as slaves. The slave artisans and engineers, however, who commanded the highest wages, were the ones best able to make a living in the economy of the free North and were therefore those most likely to escape.

The book's last chapter deals with the implications of the findings for contemporary race relations. The book shows, of course, that blacks are not biologically inferior to whites. And, in economic terms, blacks were worse off in 1890 than they were in 1860. This isn't because slavery is always economically better than being free, but because the U.S. abolished slavery without abolishing racism. Blacks remained second-class citizens without the power to better their lot economically or politically. At least under slavery their racist owners had an economic interest in their economic well-being. That is the one thing the book drives home in a thoroughly researched and completely convincing way.

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Cross-Economics-American-Slavery/dp/0393312186
 
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