Yup, that legalization of pot is a good thing

[Cancel 2016.2]

I am glad you agree with my main point, that stupid conservatives - like you, sty and the OP - do not understand BASIC economics or how to make sense of data. Driving high is far safer than driving drunk or on pills. That does not imply it is safer than driving sober. Of course, it is not likely to be. But the FACT that people will substitute leads to the clear conclusion that legalization will reduce traffic fatalities.

1) You can't help but be a douche bag and fake libertarian, can you?
2) Provide the evidence that driving stoned is "far safer" than driving drunk or on pills (aka... stoned).

 

[Jarod]

Drunk driving does not mean alcohol should be illegal.

High driving does not mean marijuana should be illegal.

 

[Timshel]

1) You can't help but be a douche bag and fake libertarian, can you?
2) Provide the evidence that driving stoned is "far safer" than driving drunk or on pills (aka... stoned).

How is the position I am taking in disagreement with libertarianism? Fake libertarians keep throwing this out without any support.

The effects of pills and marijuana are not the same and the fact that you, as a fuddy duddy/douchebag, might refer to both of them as "stoned" has no bearing on their effects.
I already posted evidence. This is really basic stuff though so maybe you should just return to kindergarten, since you are so lacking in knowledge, and quit wasting the time of intelligent people.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dri...m=93&ie=UTF-8#q=driving+drunk+vs+driving+high

 

[Taft2016]

Personal responsibility is allowing people to make choices for themselves about what they can and can't consume. It's letting people make decision for THEMSELVES rather than you dictating what is up to code. P.S. STOP drinking alcohol dickhead, it's way more harmful than marijuana in every conceivable way.

you are not for personal responsibility you pathetic hack. you are a big government loving fascist. YOU LOVE big government bending you over telling you what you can and can't consume and put in your body. Government is your master and you are its willing bitch.

Yeah? Bullshit.

You dope fiends are here high-fiving each other because you're free to get high and slam your car into an SUV carrying a mother and her children, and the police won't be able to determine how your high affected your driving, as they can with alcohol.

And the arguments to get marijuana legalized; more tax revenues and government regulation? EBT cards used to buy marijuana?

That's conservatism? Yeah, I can just feel the strength of the Reagan legacy oozing through your position. The deaths of innocents, no prosecutorial recourse, welfare money used to get high, more taxes, and bigger government.

You want to see big government? Just wait until they start the crackdowns on those who want to grow their own. At that point you'll be dipping into big government's pockets, and then you'll really feel their wrath.

I just hope too many don't die during this little flirtation with legalization, which will end once we elect a real president again. Which you know, which is why you'll vote for Hillary in 2016, all the time referring to people like me as "big government liberals."

You really need to check yourself, fool.

 

[Teflon Don]

I am glad you agree with my main point, that stupid conservatives - like you, sty and the OP - do not understand BASIC economics or how to make sense of data. Driving high is far safer than driving drunk or on pills. That does not imply it is safer than driving sober. Of course, it is not likely to be. But the FACT that people will substitute leads to the clear conclusion that legalization will reduce traffic fatalities.

You seriously didn't make this claim?

Are you assuming that the number of people driving under the influence will stay static?

How silly

 

[Timshel]

Yeah? Bullshit.

You dope fiends are here high-fiving each other because you're free to get high and slam your car into an SUV carrying a mother and her children, and the police won't be able to determine how your high affected your driving, as they can with alcohol.

And the arguments to get marijuana legalized; more tax revenues and government regulation? EBT cards used to buy marijuana?

That's conservatism? Yeah, I can just feel the strength of the Reagan legacy oozing through your position. The deaths of innocents, no prosecutorial recourse, welfare money used to get high, more taxes, and bigger government.

You want to see big government? Just wait until they start the crackdowns on those who want to grow their own. At that point you'll be dipping into big government's pockets, and then you'll really feel their wrath.

I just hope too many don't die during this little flirtation with legalization, which will end once we elect a real president again. Which you know, which is why you'll vote for Hillary in 2016, all the time referring to people like me as "big government liberals."

You really need to check yourself, fool.

Wtf ru talking about? Why would they be more able to determine how alcohol affected ones driving than marijuana?

Fuck conservatism! Fuck Reagan!

You are allowed to grow your own in Colorado.

You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

 

[Anti-Party]

So this is the new conservatism.

Personal responsibility is out the window. If someone drives a car high on marijuana we're now going to side with the ACLU types and pick apart tests that would confirm marijuana use. "The tests are useless. Hooray! We get to use marijuana in an atmosphere free of personal responsibility!"

Other conservative benefits would include new government regulations, taxation, and more tax dollars to the gluttonous gobblement.

I always wondered what happened to those dopey kids once they became too old to ride skateboards. It seems they've become the "new conservatives."

This is small brain "Conservative" in a nutt shell....

He is negative in response about Hemp becoming legal. He see's new laws that don't allow people that are high as "control" He doesn't believe in taxation which our Government is based on.

This small brain then profiles everyone that has smoked Hemp as a "dopey kid too old to ride skateboards"

You are certainly (R)ight on this topic. We should use government force to control people. (R)ight?

 

[Taft2016]

Wtf ru talking about? Why would they be more able to determine how alcohol affected ones driving than marijuana?

Uh, drivers do not get charged according to how much alcohol affected their driving. They get charged according to how much alcohol is in their system when they are driving.

Fuck conservatism! Fuck Reagan!

Wow. A compelling thought.

You are allowed to grow your own in Colorado.

Uhhh, Colorado is only one state. According to the president there are an additional 57 or so.

Additionally, Colorado has many restrictions on how much, where, etc., you can grow. Enough to give the gobblement cause to kick down your doors.

You think New York would legalize mj and pass up on the tax revenues? The NY State Police have had shootouts and fatalities with the Mohawk Indian nation over their selling of untaxed cigarettes.

You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

You're evidence mj destroys the brain.

 

[Taft2016]

This is small brain "Conservative" in a nutt shell....

He is negative in response about Hemp becoming legal. He see's new laws that don't allow people that are high as "control" He doesn't believe in taxation which our Government is based on.

This small brain then profiles everyone that has smoked Hemp as a "dopey kid too old to ride skateboards"

You are certainly (R)ight on this topic. We should use government force to control people. (R)ight?

Yeah, by all means, let's talk about "small brains."

*ANY* law, according to your rationale, = "controlling people." Which if I carried your position to reductio ad absurdum, as you did with mine, would mean all law is illegitimate because it "controls" people."

And of course, as a liberal you believe government exists as an entity to create new tax opportunities. How much more controlling can government be than to be a 50% financial partner in everyone's life?

And, of course, as a "progressive" you will not be satisfied with the mere legalization of marijuana. You will "progress" forward to other substances such as cocaine and opioids.

Nor did I profile "everyone who has smoked hemp" (another reductio ad absurdum) .... only the really idiotic ones. Which would include you.

Notions such as:

"I drive on the empty roads where I live at 90 mph every day and nothing ever happened, so there should be no speed limit"

"I smoke marijuana responsibly and nothing bad ever happened"

and "I own a gun responsibly, so everyone should be able to own one."

.... are all examples of notions that exhibit an irrational narcissism that each liberal/libertarian is the center of the universe, and that society has to design itself around them as individuals.

Here's a clue to help you get through life: You ain't all that.

 

[Space Monkey]

I agree with most of what you wrote, however your comment that driving high is much safer than being drunk or stoned off other medication is ridiculous. You are still impaired and still a danger to everyone around you. I am not sure how you can substantiate such nonsense.

This is something only an experienced drunk driver could write.

WRONG.

While there can be no doubt that pot slightly impairs a driver, the effects cannot be compared to the effect of alcohol. from the article;

in particular, it shows an increase in driving under the influence of both alcohol and drugs

Strange article coming from WebMD.

 

[Space Monkey]

Yeah? Bullshit.

You dope fiends are here high-fiving each other because you're free to get high and slam your car into an SUV carrying a mother and her children, and the police won't be able to determine how your high affected your driving, as they can with alcohol.

And the arguments to get marijuana legalized; more tax revenues and government regulation? EBT cards used to buy marijuana?

That's conservatism? Yeah, I can just feel the strength of the Reagan legacy oozing through your position. The deaths of innocents, no prosecutorial recourse, welfare money used to get high, more taxes, and bigger government.

You want to see big government? Just wait until they start the crackdowns on those who want to grow their own. At that point you'll be dipping into big government's pockets, and then you'll really feel their wrath.

I just hope too many don't die during this little flirtation with legalization, which will end once we elect a real president again. Which you know, which is why you'll vote for Hillary in 2016, all the time referring to people like me as "big government liberals."

You really need to check yourself, fool.

You are so wrong as to appear hilariously naive. No president is going to reverse state laws all across the country, fucking idiot. What kind of conservative is against state's rights anyway? Moron.

 

[Taft2016]

You are so wrong as to appear hilariously naive. No president is going to reverse state laws all across the country, fucking idiot. What kind of conservative is against state's rights anyway? Moron.

Yeah, conservatives believe that in all cases state's rights trump all. Conservatives fought that notion by opposing Dred Scot and Plessy v. Ferguson.

Can you muster a more compelling argument?

The first time a dope fiend slams into an SUV killing the mother driving and her children, and Colorado's laws prove insufficient to secure a conviction.... the drums will begin beating around the country for the feds to step in and correct the situation.

This experiment will prove to be short-lived. It's just a shame it blood will have to be shed to undo liberal madness. But that's what was needed to end slavery, wuzinit?

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Yeah? Bullshit.

You dope fiends are here high-fiving each other because you're free to get high and slam your car into an SUV carrying a mother and her children, and the police won't be able to determine how your high affected your driving, as they can with alcohol.

We shouldn't punish the masses for a few that choose to behave wrecklessly. those people can go to jail like any other criminal. Me vaping in the privacy of my home is no ones business.

And the arguments to get marijuana legalized; more tax revenues and government regulation? EBT cards used to buy marijuana?

Those are arguments for the proles. I make no bones about it, weed is awesome and I am going to smoke weed everyday, 420blaze it

That's conservatism? Yeah, I can just feel the strength of the Reagan legacy oozing through your position. The deaths of innocents, no prosecutorial recourse, welfare money used to get high, more taxes, and bigger government.

LOL how fucking dumb are you to think that MORE laws and MORE regulations and putting people in JAIL for a victimless crime and BANNING stuff and having congress use the interstate commerce clause to ban what they don't like is "small government"

You want to see big government? Just wait until they start the crackdowns on those who want to grow their own. At that point you'll be dipping into big government's pockets, and then you'll really feel their wrath.

many med states are already allowed to grow their own and have x amount of plants in their yard.

I just hope too many don't die during this little flirtation with legalization, which will end once we elect a real president again. Which you know, which is why you'll vote for Hillary in 2016, all the time referring to people like me as "big government liberals."

You really need to check yourself, fool.

I'd gouge out my eyeballs before voting hilary.

I don't support big government, I don't like laws telling me what I can do in the privacy of my own home. You on the other hand love having certain activities ban and being put in jail. Suck on that tastey tit bro. I am sure they will hold your hand given how scared and frightend you are of a world where people can make choices.

 

[Space Monkey]

Uh, drivers do not get charged according to how much alcohol affected their driving. They get charged according to how much alcohol is in their system when they are driving.



Wow. A compelling thought.



Uhhh, Colorado is only one state. According to the president there are an additional 57 or so.

Additionally, Colorado has many restrictions on how much, where, etc., you can grow. Enough to give the gobblement cause to kick down your doors.

You think New York would legalize mj and pass up on the tax revenues? The NY State Police have had shootouts and fatalities with the Mohawk Indian nation over their selling of untaxed cigarettes.



You're evidence mj destroys the brain.

Hey fucknut, I guess you never heard of Alaska, Oregon, California, Maine, Mass, R.I., etc.

Read it and weep douchebag. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._state

Even your own glorious liberal state decriminalized pot, idiot.


In fact it is only illegal in less than half of the 50 states. I have a permit to grow and possess an astounding amount of weed, and the Feds don't give a flying fuck what I do in my basement.

 

[Taft2016]

Hey fucknut, I guess you never heard of Alaska, Oregon, California, Maine, Mass, R.I., etc.

Read it and weep douchebag. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._state

Even your own glorious liberal state decriminalized pot, idiot.


In fact it is only illegal in less than half of the 50 states. I have a permit to grow and possess an astounding amount of weed, and the Feds don't give a flying fuck what I do in my basement.

You might want read up on the distinctions between "legalization" and "decriminalization."

And I despise the liberal leaning of my own state.

 

[Timshel]

Uh, drivers do not get charged according to how much alcohol affected their driving. They get charged according to how much alcohol is in their system when they are driving.


Wow. A compelling thought.



Uhhh, Colorado is only one state. According to the president there are an additional 57 or so.

Additionally, Colorado has many restrictions on how much, where, etc., you can grow. Enough to give the gobblement cause to kick down your doors.

You think New York would legalize mj and pass up on the tax revenues? The NY State Police have had shootouts and fatalities with the Mohawk Indian nation over their selling of untaxed cigarettes.



You're evidence mj destroys the brain.

Uhhh, yeah and how is that different than with marijuana? In Colorado, if you have over 5 nanograms in your system you can be charged with DUI mj. That could be there if you smoked months ago. The laws are much harsher on dui mj.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/01/03/what-happens-weed-related-dui-traffic-stop-colorado

I am sure fucking Reagan is a quite compelling idea for most conservatives. But I don't see either your creed or you God as being worthy of any admiration. You are nothing but a bunch of big government busybodies.

We are discussing the effect of legalization. Colorado is central to that. Washington requires a license to grow, which I understand is pretty easy to get, but that is certainly not an ideal way to structure the law. The fact that in some states it might remain illegal to grow your own is a very bad argument for keeping it entirely illegal. It's illegal to make your own distilled spirits (i.e., whiskey, vodka, gin, et. al.).

The selling of cigarettes is not the same as growing tobacco for personal use, which is legal in all 50 states.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. You who lust after the corpse are just grasping at straws to find someway to rationalize your support of big government.

 

[Taft2016]

Uhhh, yeah and how is that different than with marijuana? In Colorado, if you have over 5 nanograms in your system you can be charged with DUI mj. That could be there if you smoked months ago. The laws are much harsher on dui mj.

Exactly my point. We'll see how that plays out in court, and if prosecutors can secure a prosecution for it.

On one hand, it's unfair to prosecute someone for driving under the influence when they smoked months ago, on the other hand, it's unfair to let someone off who might be driving under the influence. How to know?

It's just a matter of time until a driving catastrophe occurs and makes national news. If the prosecutorial system can not prove driving under the influence.... bye bye legalized marijuana, hello federal enforcement.

 

[Taft2016]

The fact that in some states it might remain illegal to grow your own is a very bad argument for keeping it entirely illegal.

It's not an argument for keeping it entirely illegal.

It's a demonstration how libertarians are akin to liberals in that hypcrisy is their life's blood. All the blather against "big government" means nothing because you roll over for regulation, taxation, and limits on individual production ... which will results in government raids and arrests for tax evasion.

Don't make it an argument about big government.... because you obviously have no problem with big government.

 

[Saltydog]

Federally Legalize it and tax the crap out of it.

 

[iolo]

Federally Legalize it and tax the crap out of it.

If you tax it too hard we'll be back to square one. The key point here is quality, I think - the fewer laws the better, but the fewer deaths and harms the better too.