God's Work

Superfreak said:
huh?
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He means was he refereing to "God" with a capital "G" meaning the almighty monotheistic father of us all or was he refering to "god" with a small G meaning one "god" of many (polytheism) or in the vernacular sense? If it was the later then the correct spelling would be with a small g.
 
NOVA said:
Obama apologists at work....
Its a good thing he is a Democrat, otherwise he wouldn't get away with it so easily....
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Bush mentioned "god" about a gazillion times. Never bothered me.

Though I did make fun of him when Pat Robertson said that Bush told him there would be no casualties in Iraq.
 
Jarod said:
Many Jews have so much respect for God and the idea of God that they believe to write or say his name on Earth is disrespectful.
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In general, I think we get too hung up on words & speech. People go out of their way to try to be offended.

It's actually hard for me to comprehend how someone could be upset because a President says the word "god." That's just a sign o' the times, though. We've become pretty thin-skinned & bored.
 
Jarod said:
That's absolutely true, they consider God and patriotism the same thing in many ways. They find it shocking when a liberal professes belief in God, because to them God and conservatism are the same thing. That's the thing I find offensive and wish all political figures would simply avoid using the concept of God to further any such agenda. It inevitably will alienate someone and it leads to the idea that their political ideology owns the blessing of God.
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Do you really think that is what Mr. Obama was doing? Seeking to further an agenda? I am far from an Obama supporter but all I saw in that clip and in the articles I read was a man patting some volunteers on the back for, in his view, helping less fortunate or poor people but telling them they were doing "God's work." And if poor people are being helped, it is what a professed Christian would consider the work of Christ, and by extension, the work of God.

I can just see Frank Drebbin standing there with a megaphone saying, "Move along! Nothing to see here! Please disperse! Keep moving!"
 
Jarod said:
I see your joke.

I personally think they should simply avoid invoking the name and spirit of God when speaking as president. The reason is that to many people it appears to spread the legitimacy of Gods will over the agenda. When you invoke the name of God to bless your goals as president, you are invoking a air of legitimacy that is not proper for political purposes, that has been used to bring about great evil.

You might be doing Gods work, but to claim you are puts the policy under the shroud of an illegitimate blanket of authority.
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Thing1 said:
I respect what you're saying, but just disagree. Presidents mention god all of the time - I can't remember a convention speech that didn't end with "and may god bless the United States of America." I don't see any harm in it.

It doesn't cross the threshold established by separation of church & state.
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Then you might want to slowly re-read what Jarod said, which is correct and has nothing to do with saying "may god bless the United States of America."
and cease with the 'strawman' crap.

to claim your policy is 'doing God's work" is totally inappropriate for any politician to claim, especially the POTUS, and you know damn well a Republican would be
ridiculed for weeks for saying exactly the same thing....
 
leaningright said:
Do you really think that is what Mr. Obama was doing? Seeking to further an agenda? I am far from an Obama supporter but all I saw in that clip and in the articles I read was a man patting some volunteers on the back for, in his view, helping less fortunate or poor people but telling them they were doing "God's work." And if poor people are being helped, it is what a professed Christian would consider the work of Christ, and by extension, the work of God.

I can just see Frank Drebbin standing there with a megaphone saying, "Move along! Nothing to see here! Please disperse! Keep moving!"
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I agree...must be a slow new cycle day. A man can't even thank some one for doing good works with out getting criticised.
 
Thing1 said:
In general, I think we get too hung up on words & speech. People go out of their way to try to be offended.

It's actually hard for me to comprehend how someone could be upset because a President says the word "god." That's just a sign o' the times, though. We've become pretty thin-skinned & bored.
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Im not really offended by what Obama said, I simply think as a policy it would be better for presidents to not to use the term.
 
Darla said:
It depends on what he was talking about. That moron would use it about something like privatizing SS.
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Vs. the government intrusion into health care?

If Bush had said it about his efforts regarding the African AIDS crisis, I would not have mocked him at all. He would have been speaking the truth. Here, we have the President referring to attempting to get health care to the underserved. He is correct.
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Except that is not what he is doing. The underserved are not being served by this mess. People are getting kicked off plans. Small businesses and their employees are seeing increasing premiums thanks to this plan. He is going to end up putting more people off of their health care plans than he is putting on his precious Obama care nightmare.
 
Sardonic said:
Most unfortunate, he is forgetting the seperation of church and state. All politicians use it for that feel good moment, but it isn't necessary.

You are helping your fellow Americans would have worked as well.
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I honestly don't have a problem with his saying it. As Lorax and Leaning stated, many politicians of faith do so. I just think it funny how accepting the left is when it is a Democrat invoking God vs. a Republican doing so.
 
leaningright said:
Do you really think that is what Mr. Obama was doing? Seeking to further an agenda? I am far from an Obama supporter but all I saw in that clip and in the articles I read was a man patting some volunteers on the back for, in his view, helping less fortunate or poor people but telling them they were doing "God's work." And if poor people are being helped, it is what a professed Christian would consider the work of Christ, and by extension, the work of God.

I can just see Frank Drebbin standing there with a megaphone saying, "Move along! Nothing to see here! Please disperse! Keep moving!"
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Once again, I do not think that is what President Obama was doing. He was more using the term as a figure of speech, I simply believe that because of the potential for misuse, and the fact that history is full of atrocities being committed by people in political power using the name of God or gods, American Presidents would be better off not using the term. This statement of the president's was about as innocuous as it gets, but my point still stands.

The other end of the Spectrum is Pat Robertson claiming, while he was running for President, that a hurricane missing his headquarters was proof that God endorsed him.
 
Superfreak said:
Vs. the government intrusion into health care?



Except that is not what he is doing. The underserved are not being served by this mess. People are getting kicked off plans. Small businesses and their employees are seeing increasing premiums thanks to this plan. He is going to end up putting more people off of their health care plans than he is putting on his precious Obama care nightmare.
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Do you ever tire of spreading right wing horseshit? You should open a landscaping business, they spread a of manure too.
 
Superfreak said:
Vs. the government intrusion into health care?



Except that is not what he is doing. The underserved are not being served by this mess. People are getting kicked off plans. Small businesses and their employees are seeing increasing premiums thanks to this plan. He is going to end up putting more people off of their health care plans than he is putting on his precious Obama care nightmare.
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See, Supercandy is proving my point. So now this is going to turn into a debate about whose side God is on.
 
Superfreak said:
no, I mean his followers.

Of course you don't have a problem with it. But if Bush had said it, you would have gone bat shit crazy mocking him.
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It is a bit different, Obama did not hear The Almighty telling him to reform healthcare.

We mocked Bush for having felt God told him to go to war.
 
Sardonic said:
It is a bit different, Obama did not hear The Almighty telling him to reform healthcare.

We mocked Bush for having felt God told him to go to war.
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Two ends of the spectrum, but its just a better policy to avoid evoking God when you are president.
 
Sardonic said:
Most unfortunate, he is forgetting the seperation of church and state. All politicians use it for that feel good moment, but it isn't necessary.

You are helping your fellow Americans would have worked as well.
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I don't agree. The founding fathers intent on Seperation of Church and State was to not provide sanctioned government powers to any religious institution or religious point of view. It was not intended to exclude religion from the public sphere, in fact quite the opposite is true. The founding fathers wanted religion to prosper in the public sphere and they were remarkably succesful. The US has one of the highest Church attendtence rates in the industrialized world and we have one of the largest diversities of religions of any nation.

The founding fathers primary concern with religion and government was the corrupting influence one has upon the other and vice versa. Thus they wanted no official government sanction for any religion or religious institution but gave them otherwise a freehand in our public life. We very much need religion in our public life, we just don't need it in our government or the official public policy of our government. In fact look at the history of totalitarian States like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Empire. One of the first things they did was to strictly limit Religions public role or got rid of it all together.
 
leaningright said:
Do you really think that is what Mr. Obama was doing? Seeking to further an agenda? I am far from an Obama supporter but all I saw in that clip and in the articles I read was a man patting some volunteers on the back for, in his view, helping less fortunate or poor people but telling them they were doing "God's work." And if poor people are being helped, it is what a professed Christian would consider the work of Christ, and by extension, the work of God.

I can just see Frank Drebbin standing there with a megaphone saying, "Move along! Nothing to see here! Please disperse! Keep moving!"
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Funny... I could see Belushi and Akroyd on a 'Mission from God'
 
Darla said:
Do you ever tire of spreading right wing horseshit? You should open a landscaping business, they spread a of manure too.
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LMAO... do you ever tire of being an apologist?

Let me guess... you will refuse to refute any of the statements I made?
 
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