Unintended Consequences of Citizens United

[Mott the Hoople]

Hobby Lobby, an Oklahoma based company filed suit in federal court against the provision of the Affordable Care Act that requires large employers to provide insurance which includes contraception. The 10th circuit court ruled in favor of the Government but the appealate court for the 10th circuit court ruled that the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision in 2010 , which upheld a free-speech right for corporations, conferred a right to religious expression on businesses.

Now...not to get hung up on the contraception issue but this is another example of the unintended consequences of the Citizens United Decision.

I mean based on this decision by the appealate court and using Citizens United as precedent a corporation or business can disregard any federal law or regulation that violates their corporation or businesses religious beliefs.

Food for though, huh?

http://news.yahoo.com/democratic-se...hobby-lobby-birth-control-case-025129006.html

 

[Bonestorm]

So where's the unintended part?

 

[Rune]

So where's the unintended part?

Poor Mott. He stil suffers under the illusion that at least some who govern us have good intentions.

 

[Big Money]

Poor Mott. He stil suffers under the illusion that at least some who govern us have good intentions.

He's from Ohio. What do you expect?

 

[Celticguy]

Poorly crafted rulingm. Citizens applied free speech (money in that case) to corps. But corps having access to BoR came before. Hobby Lobby just make the natural extention of freedom of religion. Now the real unintended consequence was calling money free speech.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So where's the unintended part?

Permitting corporations and business to enforce their religious views on their employees and establishing a precedent for Corporations and business to hide from regulation by claiming it violates their religious freedom.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Poor Mott. He stil suffers under the illusion that at least some who govern us have good intentions.

I think your confusing "good intentions" with that which was not intended.

 

[Rune]

I think your confusing "good intentions" with that which was not intended.

No, it is you that thinks the consequences were not intended. In the move towards fascism, CU is but one small stepping stone. You will know it is past the point of no return as soon as the GOP comes out in favor of gun control.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

No, it is you that thinks the consequences were not intended. In the move towards fascism, CU is but one small stepping stone. You will know it is past the point of no return as soon as the GOP comes out in favor of gun control.

Uhm....ok.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Permitting corporations and business to enforce their religious views on their employees and establishing a precedent for Corporations and business to hide from regulation by claiming it violates their religious freedom.

This does not allow corporations to enforce their religious views on their employees. The employees still have the right to go out and buy insurance plans on their own that cover contraceptives... or they can simply pay for the contraceptives themselves. Nothing is stopping them from doing so.

 

[Big Money]

You will know it is past the point of no return as soon as the GOP comes out in favor of gun control.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

This does not allow corporations to enforce their religious views on their employees. The employees still have the right to go out and buy insurance plans on their own that cover contraceptives... or they can simply pay for the contraceptives themselves. Nothing is stopping them from doing so.

It most certainly does. Isn't that a double standard? One for employers and one for employees?

Besides, the contraception issue is besides the point. That is, do for profit corporations and business have religious rights and if so what is to prevent them from using violations of their religious rights to evade regulation and the law?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

It most certainly does.

No... it does not. Again... the employees are not prevented from buying contraceptives. The employees also are free to go with another insurance plan. They have a choice, therefore they are not being FORCED to doing anything.

 

[Bonestorm]

This does not allow corporations to enforce their religious views on their employees. The employees still have the right to go out and buy insurance plans on their own that cover contraceptives... or they can simply pay for the contraceptives themselves. Nothing is stopping them from doing so.

Corporations don't have religious views.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Corporations don't have religious views.

I was responding to Mutt's OP. So if you want to play another game of semantics, go play with him.

 

[Bonestorm]

I was responding to Mutt's OP. So if you want to play another game of semantics, go play with him.

Um, ok. But for the record, I'm not playing games. I'm stating facts.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Um, ok. But for the record, I'm not playing games. I'm stating facts.

No, you are playing semantics.

 

[Bonestorm]

No, you are playing semantics.

I don't think that distinctions that carry profound legal consequences (like eviscerating a lot of employment discrimination laws) can appropriately be chalked up as games of semantics, but that's just me.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I don't think that distinctions that carry profound legal consequences (like eviscerating a lot of employment discrimination laws) can appropriately be chalked up as games of semantics, but that's just me.

Which is why you tried to correct me, but not Mutt? Do shut the fuck up.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Hobby Lobby, an Oklahoma based company filed suit in federal court against the provision of the Affordable Care Act that requires large employers to provide insurance which includes contraception. The 10th circuit court ruled in favor of the Government but the appealate court for the 10th circuit court ruled that the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision in 2010 , which upheld a free-speech right for corporations, conferred a right to religious expression on businesses.

Now...not to get hung up on the contraception issue but this is another example of the unintended consequences of the Citizens United Decision.

I mean based on this decision by the appealate court and using Citizens United as precedent a corporation or business can disregard any federal law or regulation that violates their corporation or businesses religious beliefs.

Food for though, huh?

http://news.yahoo.com/democratic-se...hobby-lobby-birth-control-case-025129006.html

Not a peep from Dung... I wonder why