Mexico's government 'strongly rejects' upcoming execution in Texas of Mexican citizen

WinterBorn said:
The gov't does have a moral right to imprison those who show, by their actions, that they are a danger to society. This man did that.
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I guess the argument is which is more humane...

1) Putting the guy in a cage for the rest of his life
2) Ending his life

We put rabid dogs down and say it is the humane thing to do. Yet some object to doing so with humans.
 
Superfreak said:
I guess the argument is which is more humane...

1) Putting the guy in a cage for the rest of his life
2) Ending his life

We put rabid dogs down and say it is the humane thing to do. Yet some object to doing so with humans.
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The main reason I prefer life in prison to execution is that it is possible to reverse the decision and free a prisoner, if new information comes out. Kinda difficult to do after they are executed.
 
WinterBorn said:
The main reason I prefer life in prison to execution is that it is possible to reverse the decision and free a prisoner, if new information comes out. Kinda difficult to do after they are executed.
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I do not disagree with the above. I personally think anyone on death row prior to the mid 90's should be instead altered to life in prison. Too much racial bias/bad cops/falsified evidence and death of innocents.

That said... the Mansons/Bundy's/Dahmers/McVeighs of the world... put em down.
 
WinterBorn said:
The main reason I prefer life in prison to execution is that it is possible to reverse the decision and free a prisoner, if new information comes out. Kinda difficult to do after they are executed.
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I think of that poor 14 year old baby, executed 70 years ago!
 
WinterBorn said:
The real leader did nothing to stop the execution. And since the US Supreme Court ruled that only congress could force the states to follow an international court's rulings, it would be congress that would order Texas to have a new trial.
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I guess you must have missed this headline then:

Obama tries to stop execution in Texas of Mexican killer

US president warns Texan authorities that execution would put America in breach of international legal obligations

President Barack Obama is attempting to block the execution in Texas on Thursday of a Mexican man because it would breach an international convention and do "irreparable harm" to US interests.

The White House has asked the US supreme court to put the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia on hold while Congress passes a law that would prevent the convicted rapist and murderer from being put to death along with dozens of other foreign nationals who were denied proper access to diplomatic representation before trials for capital crimes.


WinterBorn said:
And one of our former real leaders agreed with the international court and urged a new trial. "A year later, President George W. Bush agreed with the international court and urged that new hearings be held." So I guess George W. is the spineless leader to which you refer?
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Two things here; (1) Bush has not been President for five years. At some point, you just have to let your Bush angst go; and (2) I am amused by arguments that basically claim that if Bush did it then somehow it must be okay if Obama does it...REALLY?

So no, I was not referring to Bush because he is NOT the current President weighing in on this issue. If he were, my stance would be the SAME. But you are free to suggest that I am somehow inconsistent in my views based on nothing more substantive than “because you say so” if it gives you partisan comfort.
 
Truth Detector said:
If we had a REAL leader in this country, he would tell the Mexicans to pound sand. If you allow brutal murderous thugs to wander into the US and they commit crimes, we'll send them all back to you in body bags.

But alas, we have a spineless dunce as a President who wouldn't know what leadership was if it slapped him on his empty arrogant head.
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Hello Yurt. Pound much sand lately? You fooled me for a while with the stupid act, but I know it is you now.
 
Superfreak said:
I guess the argument is which is more humane...

1) Putting the guy in a cage for the rest of his life
2) Ending his life

We put rabid dogs down and say it is the humane thing to do. Yet some object to doing so with humans.
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We cure hydrophobia in humans. Give up on the analogies Simplefreak, they are not helping you any.
 
Truth Detector said:
I guess you must have missed this headline then:

Obama tries to stop execution in Texas of Mexican killer

US president warns Texan authorities that execution would put America in breach of international legal obligations

President Barack Obama is attempting to block the execution in Texas on Thursday of a Mexican man because it would breach an international convention and do "irreparable harm" to US interests.

The White House has asked the US supreme court to put the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia on hold while Congress passes a law that would prevent the convicted rapist and murderer from being put to death along with dozens of other foreign nationals who were denied proper access to diplomatic representation before trials for capital crimes.




Two things here; (1) Bush has not been President for five years. At some point, you just have to let your Bush angst go; and (2) I am amused by arguments that basically claim that if Bush did it then somehow it must be okay if Obama does it...REALLY?

So no, I was not referring to Bush because he is NOT the current President weighing in on this issue. If he were, my stance would be the SAME. But you are free to suggest that I am somehow inconsistent in my views based on nothing more substantive than “because you say so” if it gives you partisan comfort.
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Must still defend Bush....somehow.
 
Rune said:
Hello Yurt. Pound much sand lately? You fooled me for a while with the stupid act, but I know it is you now.
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Dear shit-for-brains; I don't know who "Yurt" is and unlike you, I don't need to come into forums pretending to be something I am not.

But thanks again for removing any doubt what an incredible dunce you are.

LMAO
 
Truth Detector said:
I guess you must have missed this headline then:

Obama tries to stop execution in Texas of Mexican killer

US president warns Texan authorities that execution would put America in breach of international legal obligations

President Barack Obama is attempting to block the execution in Texas on Thursday of a Mexican man because it would breach an international convention and do "irreparable harm" to US interests.

The White House has asked the US supreme court to put the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia on hold while Congress passes a law that would prevent the convicted rapist and murderer from being put to death along with dozens of other foreign nationals who were denied proper access to diplomatic representation before trials for capital crimes.




Two things here; (1) Bush has not been President for five years. At some point, you just have to let your Bush angst go; and (2) I am amused by arguments that basically claim that if Bush did it then somehow it must be okay if Obama does it...REALLY?

So no, I was not referring to Bush because he is NOT the current President weighing in on this issue. If he were, my stance would be the SAME. But you are free to suggest that I am somehow inconsistent in my views based on nothing more substantive than “because you say so” if it gives you partisan comfort.
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Bush WAS president when he tried to intervene. So he did the same as Obama did. yes, I did miss the headline. I skimmed the article trying to see something about Obama.

And when you rant about one president doing something, especially when you spout off about a "spineless leader", pointing out that both of the last 2 presidents did the same thing is valid.
 
Truth Detector said:
Dear shit-for-brains; I don't know who "Yurt" is and unlike you, I don't need to come into forums pretending to be something I am not.

But thanks again for removing any doubt what an incredible dunce you are.

LMAO
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Keep hiding yurt-tard. It is all that is left for you here.
 
WinterBorn said:
Bush WAS president when he tried to intervene. So he did the same as Obama did. yes, I did miss the headline. I skimmed the article trying to see something about Obama.

And when you rant about one president doing something, especially when you spout off about a "spineless leader", pointing out that both of the last 2 presidents did the same thing is valid.
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You are surprised that Yurt continues to defend Bush?
 
WinterBorn said:
Bush WAS president when he tried to intervene. So he did the same as Obama did. yes, I did miss the headline. I skimmed the article trying to see something about Obama.

And when you rant about one president doing something, especially when you spout off about a "spineless leader", pointing out that both of the last 2 presidents did the same thing is valid.
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So you admit then, that you are uninformed about this and instead, went on an ideological tirade about Bush; got it. ;)

So my comments were a rant? How so? Do you know what a rant is? How did my comments fit that definition?

Just in case there is any doubt:

rant [rant] verb (used without object)

1. to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way; rave: The demagogue ranted for hours.

verb (used with object)

2. to utter or declaim in a ranting manner.

noun

3. ranting, extravagant, or violent declamation.


4. a ranting utterance.

Again, Bush is no longer President so what he has done in the past is not relevant to what is happening now. I know simple concepts are difficult for the Bush angst you carry, but get over it. He hasn't been President for five years. Claiming that one needs to point to every leader in the past that has been spineless in order to call the current leader spineless; well, that's just incredibly stupid.

Why do stupid?
 
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