A&E suspended Phil Robertson

Jarod said:
Just because it is in the bible does not make it non-judgmental. He did not simply read a list from the bible... he said affirmatively that homosexuality is a sin. To define someone's sexual preference as sinful is judgmental. I am sorry if you don't like it, but its true.

If I said, "republicans said "X is a sin"", that is different than saying "X is a sin".
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Yet, if you were reading a quote and didn't say "republicans said" before it, it would mean you were a republican? Now you are truly arguing the absurd.
 
If someone asks me what is sin and I say, "I don't know but the bible says... " that's not being personally judgmental its simply quoting a judgmental source of information that the reader can make personal decisions about its authoritativeness.

If someone asks me what is sin and I give you a direct quote from the bible, without sourcing it and without separating my personal opinion I am answering the question as if I BELIVE that what the bible says about sin is true and if its a judgmental portion of the bible.. .well then I am being judgmental.
 
Damocles said:
Yet, if you were reading a quote and didn't say "republicans said" before it, it would mean you were a republican? Now you are truly arguing the absurd.
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No you are.. you are in effect saying that one cant be judgmental if they quote from the bible.
 
Everybody is "judgmental" in that sense.

The same people who try to tell us that all cultures are equal when some speak of American Exceptionalism are now telling us that Russian culture in regard to homosexuals is not only not equal, but that it is very inferior.

In this case, his Christian beliefs (being a culture) are, in their opinion, inferior to their own view and culture.
 
Jarod said:
No you are.. you are in effect saying that one cant be judgmental if they quote from the bible.
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Not particularly. When he lists sins and calls them sins he isn't being judgmental, he's listing sins.

The portion where he is judgmental is where he is the prognosticator of the result of their actions.

I am being precise.
 
Damocles said:
Everybody is "judgmental" in that sense.

The same people who try to tell us that all cultures are equal when some speak of American Exceptionalism are now telling us that Russian culture in regard to homosexuals is not only not equal, but that it is very inferior.

In this case, his Christian beliefs (being a culture) are, in their opinion, inferior to their own view and culture.
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If you're keeping score at home, this is SF's "you're intolerant for not tolerating intolerance" in a dinner jacket. Gussied up for the highbrow crowd.
 
If my mother said, "Gays are evil"

and later I told my friend, "Gays are evil" does that make me my mother?

NO, because I was adopting my mothers statement as my own and I am responsible for what I say, even if I am quoting her.

If I told my friend, "my mother says, Gays are evil" then I am not adopting her statement as my own, I am simply sharing information...
 
Damocles said:
Everybody is "judgmental" in that sense.

The same people who try to tell us that all cultures are equal when some speak of American Exceptionalism are now telling us that Russian culture in regard to homosexuals is not only not equal, but that it is very inferior.

In this case, his Christian beliefs (being a culture) are, in their opinion, inferior to their own view and culture.
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You are correct. I am being judgemental when I say that the way he sees Christianity is WRONG. I am okay with that. When he list things as sin's, he is being judgmental of homosexual people.
 
Superfreak said:
No, she misinterpreted what he was saying was morphing. He was discussing SIN. That is what morphed. Hence homosexuality, bestiality, promiscuity, drunkenness etc..
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Everyone else get that?

Discussion is over!

SF and his Amazing Mind Reading abilities have determined precisely what that duck dynasty star meant and precisely how he defined each word, so further discussion is not necessary.

Everyone needs to just shut your holes and take SF's word for what is what!
 
Damocles said:
Not particularly. When he lists sins and calls them sins he isn't being judgmental, he's listing sins.

The portion where he is judgmental is where he is the prognosticator of the result of their actions.

I am being precise.
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No you are wrong here, and the bold is just silly. Calling something a sin is judgemental.
 
Rana said:
In the January issue of GQ, the Duck Dynasty star also comments on growing up in a pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana.
"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson claims. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotten with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash."
He adds, "They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."


It wasn't just the homophobic remark it was many things he said in the article!
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???.....what part of that do you consider to be an insult to blacks?......
 
If someone asks me what is sin, and I answer what I believe... that judging people for a way of life that does not harm others is sinful, I am judging. The difference is that I am judging people for a way of life that does harm others.
 
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