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The Force is With Me
Partisan Gridlock Thwarts Effort to Alter Health Law

WASHINGTON — When he talks to Republicans in Congress, Scott DeFife, a restaurant industry lobbyist, speaks their language: President Obama’s health care law is a train wreck well down the track. There will be collateral damage if changes are not made. Friends of the industry cannot sit back and let that happen.

Speaking to Democrats, he puts on his empathy hat: The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. Its goal of universal insurance coverage is laudable, but its unintended consequences will hurt the cause.

Almost no law as sprawling and consequential as the Affordable Care Act has passed without changes — significant structural changes or routine tweaks known as “technical corrections” — in subsequent months and years. The Children’s Health Insurance Program, for example, was fixed in the first months after its passage in 1997.

But as they prowl Capitol Hill, business lobbyists like Mr. DeFife, health care providers and others seeking changes are finding, to their dismay, that in a polarized Congress, accomplishing them has become all but impossible.

Republicans simply want to see the entire law go away and will not take part in adjusting it. Democrats are petrified of reopening a politically charged law that threatens to derail careers as the Republicans once again seize on it before an election year.

As a result, a landmark law that almost everyone agrees has flaws is likely to take effect unchanged.

“I don’t think it can be fixed,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, said in an interview. “Everything is interconnected, 2,700 pages of statute, 20,000 pages of regulations so far. The only solution is to repeal it, root and branch.”

Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and one of the law’s primary authors, said: “I’m not sure we’re going to get to the point where it’s time to open the bill and make some changes. Once you start, it’s Pandora’s box.”

As the clock ticks toward 2014, when the law will be fully in effect, some businesses say that without changes, it may be their undoing.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/u...-to-health-care-law.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp

A question that I've been asking for almost 3 years: Given the current state of the Congress, how are those vitally needed fixes going to be accomplished?

If those fixes don't get accomplished, democrats will be facing an angry electorate, an unpopular 'landmark' bill that will become more unpopular by the minute, and another midterm election like the last midterm election with Obama's poll numbers heading into Bush territory.

Have democrats put republicans in a position that all they have to do is sit on their hands to win?
 
how many years did the system limp along for people before this act?


Do you even remember what it was like before the act and how the costs were rising?



when will you begin to blame the insane right for trying to sabatoge everything in our government so it can be drowned in the bathtub?
 
how many years did the system limp along for people before this act?


Do you even remember what it was like before the act and how the costs were rising?



when will you begin to blame the insane right for trying to sabatoge everything in our government so it can be drowned in the bathtub?

Maybe we should send the government to Kermit Gosnell?

Before Obamacare, people were happy with their healthcare. All of the polls showed that. Go look it up. Educate yourself. Stop wallowing in ignorance.
 
Partisan Gridlock Thwarts Effort to Alter Health Law

WASHINGTON — When he talks to Republicans in Congress, Scott DeFife, a restaurant industry lobbyist, speaks their language: President Obama’s health care law is a train wreck well down the track. There will be collateral damage if changes are not made. Friends of the industry cannot sit back and let that happen.

Speaking to Democrats, he puts on his empathy hat: The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. Its goal of universal insurance coverage is laudable, but its unintended consequences will hurt the cause.

Almost no law as sprawling and consequential as the Affordable Care Act has passed without changes — significant structural changes or routine tweaks known as “technical corrections” — in subsequent months and years. The Children’s Health Insurance Program, for example, was fixed in the first months after its passage in 1997.

But as they prowl Capitol Hill, business lobbyists like Mr. DeFife, health care providers and others seeking changes are finding, to their dismay, that in a polarized Congress, accomplishing them has become all but impossible.

Republicans simply want to see the entire law go away and will not take part in adjusting it. Democrats are petrified of reopening a politically charged law that threatens to derail careers as the Republicans once again seize on it before an election year.

As a result, a landmark law that almost everyone agrees has flaws is likely to take effect unchanged.

“I don’t think it can be fixed,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, said in an interview. “Everything is interconnected, 2,700 pages of statute, 20,000 pages of regulations so far. The only solution is to repeal it, root and branch.”

Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and one of the law’s primary authors, said: “I’m not sure we’re going to get to the point where it’s time to open the bill and make some changes. Once you start, it’s Pandora’s box.”

As the clock ticks toward 2014, when the law will be fully in effect, some businesses say that without changes, it may be their undoing.

more
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/u...-to-health-care-law.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp

A question that I've been asking for almost 3 years: Given the current state of the Congress, how are those vitally needed fixes going to be accomplished?

If those fixes don't get accomplished, democrats will be facing an angry electorate, an unpopular 'landmark' bill that will become more unpopular by the minute, and another midterm election like the last midterm election with Obama's poll numbers heading into Bush territory.

Have democrats put republicans in a position that all they have to do is sit on their hands to win?

Obamacare we never designed to "work". It was designed to cause as much chaos and confusion as possible so people would scream for single payor. Obama even said so. First he had to destroy private pay insurance so there would be nowhere else to turn. It is playing out exactly as Obama intended.

I am not sure why you are so unhappy. The current path puts toward your desired goal.
 
dear idiot peopel were NOT happy with their healthcare.


man you on the right sure cant remember anything from the past correctly
 
dear idiot peopel were NOT happy with their healthcare.


man you on the right sure cant remember anything from the past correctly

Are you sure about that? What if I can prove you are wrong? Then what? Will you admit it? Will you just employ cognitive dissonance? Now, I am a compassionate soul because I feel sorry for your ignorance, I am going to allow you one chance to redeem yourself and correct your error.

If you persist in your ignorance, I am going to fist you. Your choice.
 
why did we do the heathcare bill?

That is a different question. Don't change the subject. Are you going to concede you were wrong about people being happy with their healthcare or do I have to give you a public fisting on this board. This is your last chance. If you do not answer then the fisting is next.

Why we did it is a different question. Last chance
 
how many years did the system limp along for people before this act?


Do you even remember what it was like before the act and how the costs were rising?



when will you begin to blame the insane right for trying to sabatoge everything in our government so it can be drowned in the bathtub?

I really hate this divide good sister. I really do. I sincerely apologize for anything I've said that offends you. It is not my intent to offend anyone .. especially people I like .. like you.

But understand that passion is real. I haven't changed .. I can't change.

When Bush was in office democrats loved me because I posted fact-based comments that were highly critical of Bush, the Republican Party, and republicans themselves. I posted evidence of the fraud of WMD, the truth about Ahmed Chalabi, the Iranian double-agent who tricked the Bush Administration into attacking Iraq ... so the Iranians can do exactly what they're doing now ... and a plethora of other evidence that also turned out to be true. I researched where others would not. But too many thought that I was attacking Bush as a democrat. Nothing could be further from the truth. I attacked Bush because the only side I care about is that of humanity and the American people.

Nothing about me has changed. I don't care about Obama, I don't care about the Democratic Party .. both of which are owned by corporations.

The ACA is terrible law written by the health insurance industry. It is the replicate of Mr.47%Care, otherwise known as Romneycare. It was written to benefit the health insurance industry .. again, who wrote it .. far more than the American people. Democrats passed this thing ALONE .. they could have passed Medicare for All Americans, which, unlike the ACA, would have been supported by the majority of Americans and welcomed.

But putting all of that aside, how are democrats going to get the parts of the law that badly need fixing done? Shouldn't this have been considered when drafting and passing this law .. especially given that republicans haven't been forthcoming on helping Obama with anything?

Should I blame republicans for passing such a flawed law that they didn't even vote for .. or, should I be questioning the wisdom of writing it and not thinking about how to fix it?
 
Are you sure about that? What if I can prove you are wrong? Then what? Will you admit it? Will you just employ cognitive dissonance? Now, I am a compassionate soul because I feel sorry for your ignorance, I am going to allow you one chance to redeem yourself and correct your error.

If you persist in your ignorance, I am going to fist you. Your choice.

Never knew you were into that. Some of our homosexual members should take note....if you're into that kind of thing, that is.

Truthfully? I think that ILA spends a lot of time fisting himself.
 
Are you sure about that? What if I can prove you are wrong? Then what? Will you admit it? Will you just employ cognitive dissonance? Now, I am a compassionate soul because I feel sorry for your ignorance, I am going to allow you one chance to redeem yourself and correct your error.

If you persist in your ignorance, I am going to fist you. Your choice.

WRONG, dead wrong.

Americans were NOT happy with their healthcare .. which is why the call for healthcare reform was so loud in the first place.

During the 2008 campaign, even republicans had to produce their own plans for healthcare reform.

By the way, evince is a woman .. that 'fisting' thing was over the top.
 
A question that I've been asking for almost 3 years: Given the current state of the Congress, how are those vitally needed fixes going to be accomplished?

If those fixes don't get accomplished, democrats will be facing an angry electorate, an unpopular 'landmark' bill that will become more unpopular by the minute, and another midterm election like the last midterm election with Obama's poll numbers heading into Bush territory.

Have democrats put republicans in a position that all they have to do is sit on their hands to win?

Simple, unlike Bush's wars that Democrats supported then required to be planned down to the very last detail with specific timetables when Saddam Hussein would be captured, when the army would be re-trained and when Iraq would be turned into a democratic republic, ObamaCare had to be passed before we would even know what was in it, through complete GOP opposition along with the general public, and we'll have some magic bureaucracy handle the details later on.

Well, it's now "later on" and the hangover after the party has to be dealt with.

Thanks to liberal power grabs like ObamaCare, the GOP won big in the mid term elections, taking back the House and increasing its presence in the Senate. Many state legislatures went completely GOP. In my state we saw a GOP majority for the first time since Reconstruction, and in 2012 we increased these to super-majorities and took the governorship.

Pay back's a bitch; don't expect us Republicans to help you out of this one.
 
I really hate this divide good sister. I really do. I sincerely apologize for anything I've said that offends you. It is not my intent to offend anyone .. especially people I like .. like you.

But understand that passion is real. I haven't changed .. I can't change.

When Bush was in office democrats loved me because I posted fact-based comments that were highly critical of Bush, the Republican Party, and republicans themselves. I posted evidence of the fraud of WMD, the truth about Ahmed Chalabi, the Iranian double-agent who tricked the Bush Administration into attacking Iraq ... so the Iranians can do exactly what they're doing now ... and a plethora of other evidence that also turned out to be true. I researched where others would not. But too many thought that I was attacking Bush as a democrat. Nothing could be further from the truth. I attacked Bush because the only side I care about is that of humanity and the American people.

Nothing about me has changed. I don't care about Obama, I don't care about the Democratic Party .. both of which are owned by corporations.

The ACA is terrible law written by the health insurance industry. It is the replicate of Mr.47%Care, otherwise known as Romneycare. It was written to benefit the health insurance industry .. again, who wrote it .. far more than the American people. Democrats passed this thing ALONE .. they could have passed Medicare for All Americans, which, unlike the ACA, would have been supported by the majority of Americans and welcomed.

But putting all of that aside, how are democrats going to get the parts of the law that badly need fixing done? Shouldn't this have been considered when drafting and passing this law .. especially given that republicans haven't been forthcoming on helping Obama with anything?

Should I blame republicans for passing such a flawed law that they didn't even vote for .. or, should I be questioning the wisdom of writing it and not thinking about how to fix it?




you should blame the republicans for not allowing single payer or the public option.


This bill has already saved lives.


this bill is already triming costs while providing care to people.


You can blame the republicans for continuing to keep the fixes that arrise in the impliementation of such a large policy change.


every bill takes unforseen adjustments to impliment it to its best effect.


This bill is huge and its to be expected to have implimentation adjustments.


This bill sets the ground work for single payer and or public option.

because this went through we will much more easily see what we really need in the end.
 
Obamacare we never designed to "work". It was designed to cause as much chaos and confusion as possible so people would scream for single payor. Obama even said so. First he had to destroy private pay insurance so there would be nowhere else to turn. It is playing out exactly as Obama intended.

I am not sure why you are so unhappy. The current path puts toward your desired goal.

If that was the case they could have passed SP when the passed the ACA.

They were the only ones left at the table.

You're wrong.
 

Congratulations, you succeeded in answering a question that WASN'T FUCKING ASKED.

This is what I claimed

Before Obamacare, people were happy with their healthcare. All of the polls showed that.

The question wasn't about costs compared to other countries. The question was whether people were satisfied with THEIR healthcare. Now, as promised, here is your fisting. Enjoy.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/Majority-Americans-Satisfied-Their-Own-Healthcare.aspx

Some key takeaways

83% think the quality of care they receive is EXCELLENT or GOOD
70% think their coverage is EXCELLENT or GOOD

Now run off. You have been embarrassed, but I doubt you have the self awareness to realize what has just happened to you. It is time for you to pull the rip cord on your cognitive dissonance parachute.
 
That is a different question. Don't change the subject. Are you going to concede you were wrong about people being happy with their healthcare or do I have to give you a public fisting on this board. This is your last chance. If you do not answer then the fisting is next.

Why we did it is a different question. Last chance


hahahahahahahahahah


thanks to bac I noticed your fisting blather.


If you tried to fist this woman your fist would be a bloody stump before you got it near me.
 
WRONG, dead wrong.

Americans were NOT happy with their healthcare .. which is why the call for healthcare reform was so loud in the first place.

During the 2008 campaign, even republicans had to produce their own plans for healthcare reform.

By the way, evince is a woman .. that 'fisting' thing was over the top.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/Majority-Americans-Satisfied-Their-Own-Healthcare.aspx

You say you are fact based. Here are the facts. Gallup shows that people were happy with THEIR healthcare and their health coverage. I am right.
 
Congratulations, you succeeded in answering a question that WASN'T FUCKING ASKED.

This is what I claimed



The question wasn't about costs compared to other countries. The question was whether people were satisfied with THEIR healthcare. Now, as promised, here is your fisting. Enjoy.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/Majority-Americans-Satisfied-Their-Own-Healthcare.aspx

Some key takeaways

83% think the quality of care they receive is EXCELLENT or GOOD
70% think their coverage is EXCELLENT or GOOD

Now run off. You have been embarrassed, but I doubt you have the self awareness to realize what has just happened to you. It is time for you to pull the rip cord on your cognitive dissonance parachute.





hey dickweed charts are too complicated for your dumb ass?


that chart clearly shows the US system rising in costs.


the countries with single payers were not.


the stupid party
 
If that was the case they could have passed SP when the passed the ACA.

They were the only ones left at the table.

You're wrong.

No, they had to bribe several Democrat politicians just to sign onto ACA. SP, complete socialization, would never had passed.
 
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